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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m74si41734wmd.1.2017.06.26.07.50.19 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::236; Received: by mail-wm0-x236.google.com with SMTP id b184so3398551wme.1 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.28.113.21 with SMTP id m21mr387206wmc.80.1498488618739; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:50:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.182.133 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:50:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <02f60f56-9f52-4a1f-9c2f-5013407e6531@googlegroups.com> <9346396a-9f41-4b30-9381-313f0098c3dd@googlegroups.com> From: Remo Dentato Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 16:50:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Apologia, using h instead of yhy To: lojban Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11478506d1f0440552de116c" X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.b=UBzp7db8; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rdentato@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11478506d1f0440552de116c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My suggestion would be to continuining doing what most of us are doing: reading ' wherever a h is found (also considering that the selma'o names, even if they are not lojban words, use h to signify uppercase ' ). I don't see any harm in doing it. On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, iesk wrote: > >> =D8=A5=DB=8C =D9=BE=D9=90=D9=87=D9=88 =D8=B1=D9=8F =D8=AF=D9=8F =D9=86= =D8=A7 =D8=B4=DB=8C=D8=B3=DA=A9=D8=A7 =D9=84=D9=8F =D9=84=D9=8F=DA=98=D8=A8= =D9=8F =D9=81=DB=8C=D9=87=D9=8F =D9=84=D9=90=D8=B1=D9=81=D9=88 =D9=84=D9=8F= =D8=B4=DB=8C=D8=B2=D8=B1=D8=A7 =DA=AF=DB=8C=D9=87=D9=90 =DA=98=D8=A7=D8=A6= =D8=B4=D9=81=DB=8C=D9=BE=D9=88 =D8=A5=DB=8C =D9=BE=D8=A7=D8=A4 >> =D9=86=D8=A7=D8=A6 =D9=84=D9=8F =D9=81=D8=A7=D8=AF=D9=86=DB=8C =D8=B4=D9= =88 =D9=86=D8=A7=D9=87=D9=90 =D8=A8=D8=A7=D9=86=D8=B2=D9=88 =D9=85=D9=88=D9= =87=DB=8C =D9=85=D8=A7 =D9=88=D8=A7=D8=A4 =D8=B2=D9=8F=D9=87=D9=8F=D8=9F > > > Just for grins, I put this in to Google Translate, which decided it was > Urdu meaning "Why do you tell me what I'm doing? I'm sorry, I'm > sorry",which I think is pretty funny and apropos. > > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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My suggestion would be to continuining doing what mos= t of us are doing: reading=C2=A0 '=C2=A0 wherever a h is found (also co= nsidering that the selma'o names, even if they are not lojban words, us= e h to signify uppercase ' ).

I don't = see any harm in doing it.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Michael Turniansky= <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

=
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.= de> wrote:
=D8=A5=DB=8C =D9=BE=D9=90=D9=87=D9=88 =D8=B1=D9=8F =D8=AF=D9=8F =D9=86=D8=A7 =D8=B4=DB= =8C=D8=B3=DA=A9=D8=A7 =D9=84=D9=8F =D9=84=D9=8F=DA=98=D8=A8=D9=8F =D9=81=DB= =8C=D9=87=D9=8F =D9=84=D9=90=D8=B1=D9=81=D9=88 =D9=84=D9=8F =D8=B4=DB=8C=D8=B2=D8=B1=D8=A7 =DA=AF=DB=8C=D9=87=D9=90 =DA=98= =D8=A7=D8=A6 =D8=B4=D9=81=DB=8C=D9=BE=D9=88 =D8=A5=DB=8C =D9=BE=D8=A7=D8=A4= =D9=86=D8=A7=D8=A6 =D9=84=D9=8F =D9=81=D8=A7=D8=AF=D9=86=DB=8C =D8=B4=D9=88 =D9=86=D8=A7=D9=87=D9=90 =D8=A8= =D8=A7=D9=86=D8=B2=D9=88 =D9=85=D9=88=D9=87=DB=8C =D9=85=D8=A7 =D9=88=D8=A7= =D8=A4 =D8=B2=D9=8F=D9=87=D9=8F=D8=9F

=C2=A0 J= ust for grins, I put this in to Google Translate, which decided it was Urdu= meaning "Why do you tell me what I'm doing? I'm sorry, I'= m sorry",which I think is pretty funny and apropos.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa

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