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To: lojban@googlegroups.com,Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>
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coi ro do

Well I agree about the fact the language is young, but if one uses this fac=
t as an argument for not pushing spell check dictionaries, then I guess the=
 language will never spread!

Dictionaries evolve. I am convinced that we'd better have incomplete an not=
 fully accurate dicts rather than no dicts at all. It may (should) be updat=
ed later on. And better having basic spell check without grammar check, rat=
her than nothing at all.
Don't you think?

I'd love seeing at least partial support of Lojban in Hunspell, LibreOffice=
, Notepad++,  Android default keyboard(s), and many others. The more softwa=
re bricks have support, the more people will accept the effort of adding or=
 improving support for other software and systems (and I guess starting wit=
h open sourced will push closed source to move).

How can we help? Which software library / system should we start with (to g=
et the greatest impact)? Which source of vocabulary should we use?
Any idea?

And what about translation websites? Is it too early to start thinking abou=
t including Lojban in popular 3rd-party ones?

By the way, I'm pretty sure a good Lojban keayboard+spell/grammar check (in=
 the future) could include very fine rules about deducing next word to type=
 (as most mobile-like virtual keyboards nowadays). Imagine your mobile devi=
ce "remembering" you just typed "be", and automatically let two "bei" and "=
be'o" buttons appear on-screen until some terminator closes the block... :-=
)

About the French reform, well that's an old debate now. As for coding rules=
 (formatting, naming), and as for laws, nobody 100% agrees the conventions,=
 apart from those who wrote them! But the most important is that communicat=
ion is facilitated, by ensuring people use the same conventions and rules.

co'o


Le 20 juillet 2017 19:15:24 CEST, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> a =C3=A9=
crit :
>On Thursday, July 13, 2017 6:58:33 AM EDT sukender1@gmail.com wrote:
>> Great job.
>>=20
>> But I guess this is only the beginning. Standard OS inputs methods
>should
>> have proper dictionaries, and I wish that dictionaries spread out
>too. It's
>> already a pain having a proper spelling / grammar checking for
>widespread
>> OSes (Linux, Windows, Android, iOS...) in my mother's tongue language
>(*),
>> so I guess it would be much more difficult for Lojban.
>
>Grammar checking can be done algorithmically, but since the language is
>fairly=20
>young and people are still making up lots of words, a spell checker
>would be=20
>difficult. However, there is no inflection of open classes in Lojban,
>so there=20
>cannot be arguments like "mosquitoes/mosquitos".
>
>> (*) It's been 27 years that a reform of French orthography has been
>> official. However, Android still uses the old one (AFAIK), and
>Windows let
>> you choose the one you want in a deep buried option (which default to
>> "old").
>
>I prefer the new way of writing numbers because it makes clear in
>writing the=20
>distinction between e.g. 52/1100 and 50/2100, and I like "cig=C3=BCe, aig=
=C3=BCe,
>et=20
>ambig=C3=BCe" better than "cigu=C3=AB, aigu=C3=AB, et ambigu=C3=AB". But s=
ome words just
>look=20
>wrong without their circumflex. i to la'o fy. cig=C3=BCe .fy. cu vindu
>rulsantyspa=20
>.i la'o fy. aig=C3=BCe .fy. cu kinli .i la'o fy. ambig=C3=BCe .fy. cu smuv=
rici
>
>mu'omi'e .piier.

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