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Tanks for the clarification. I didn't even imagine that this big random com=
pound cmavo would be valid! You made my evening! ;-)

About {lonu} entry, I clearly agree. But I can't filter all them out... Or =
can I? If you get any (simple) idea of rule for that, then go ahead!

By the way, I already filtered out a few words. I indeed found some of huge=
 length (even a weird one about Macarena!). As it may be spam, I added an a=
rbitrary rule that throws away all that have more than 22 characters. Maybe=
 a finer rule has to be found...

Cheers,

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Sukender


Le 28 juillet 2017 17:33:14 CEST, Adam Lopresto <adamlopresto@gmail.com> a =
=C3=A9crit :
>If you're going to allow cmavo to be combined arbitrarily (which is
>probably appropriate), then there's no reason for {lonu} to have its
>own
>entry. So I'd suggest not adding any cmavo clusters.
>
>And {lonulonucalo} can be grammatical, you just need the right text
>after
>it. {lonulonucalo nu jamna kei mi damba cu nandu mi cu se zungi mi}, "I
>feel guilty that it was hard for me to fight during the war." As you
>said,
>a fully grammar checker would be needed to really get things right, and
>that's a separate problem.
>
>On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:54 AM <sukender1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> coi la .ilmen.
>>
>> I just applied your idea (added split entries) and added merged
>entries...
>> And I also found a very simple way to add compound cmavo!
>> Indeed:
>>
>>    - I created a script that splits jbovlaste entries into cmavo and
>>    non-cmavo, by using a simple regex (using rules listed in the CLL,
>chapter
>>    4.2)
>>    - Then I tagged all cmavo with a flag "C", and added the Hunspell
>rule
>>    "CCC*" (~=3D "CC+"), which means you can "glue" 2 or more cmavo
>together.
>>
>> Of course, this will allow un-grammatical things such as
>"lonulonucalo",
>> but once again this is not the spell-checker role.
>>
>> I tried your example "calonu". It seems the "lonu" entry exists, so
>my
>> dictionary inteprets that as a "normal word" (=3D non-simple-cmavo)
>instead
>> of a "compound cmavo". But all following combinations are now valid :
>>
>>    - ca, lo, nu
>>    - lo nu, lonu, ca lo, calo
>>    - ca lonu, calo nu, calonu
>>
>> Only calo & calonu are detected as a compound (remember "lonu" is an
>> entry), but anyway that works as expected.
>> Experimental cmavo support will be added soon.
>>
>> Do you know other rules that could be great integrating?
>> Please test ( https://github.com/Sukender/lojban-spell-check-dist )
>and
>> give feedback! ki'e
>>
>> I still have issues with dots in LibreOffice (.i .a and such)... And
>some
>> words of "le cmalu noltru" are not recognized yet. Is there any other
>word
>> source I can use?
>>
>> co'o
>>
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<html><head></head><body>Tanks for the clarification. I didn&#39;t even ima=
gine that this big random compound cmavo would be valid! You made my evenin=
g! ;-)<br>
<br>
About {lonu} entry, I clearly agree. But I can&#39;t filter all them out...=
 Or can I? If you get any (simple) idea of rule for that, then go ahead!<br=
>
<br>
By the way, I already filtered out a few words. I indeed found some of huge=
 length (even a weird one about Macarena!). As it may be spam, I added an a=
rbitrary rule that throws away all that have more than 22 characters. Maybe=
 a finer rule has to be found...<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Sukender<br>
<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Le 28 juillet 2017 17:33:14 CEST, Adam L=
opresto &lt;adamlopresto@gmail.com&gt; a =C3=A9crit :<blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(=
204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">If you're going to allow cmavo to be combined arbitrarily =
(which is probably appropriate), then there's no reason for {lonu} to have =
its own entry. So I'd suggest not adding any cmavo clusters.<div><br /></di=
v><div>And {lonulonucalo} can be grammatical, you just need the right text =
after it. {lonulonucalo nu jamna kei mi damba cu nandu mi cu se zungi mi}, =
&quot;I feel guilty that it was hard for me to fight during the war.&quot; =
As you said, a fully grammar checker would be needed to really get things r=
ight, and that's a separate problem.</div></div><br /><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:54 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:sukender1@gmail.com">sukender1@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br /></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">coi la .ilmen.<div><br /></div><d=
iv>I just applied your idea (added split entries) and added merged entries.=
.. And I also found a very simple way to add compound cmavo!</div><div>Inde=
ed:</div><div><ul><li>I created a script that splits jbovlaste entries into=
 cmavo and non-cmavo, by using a simple regex (using rules listed in the CL=
L, chapter 4.2)</li><li>Then I tagged all cmavo with a flag &quot;C&quot;, =
and added the Hunspell rule &quot;CCC*&quot; (~=3D &quot;CC+&quot;), which =
means you can &quot;glue&quot; 2 or more cmavo together.<br /></li></ul></d=
iv><div>Of course, this will allow un-grammatical things such as &quot;lonu=
lonucalo&quot;, but once again this is not the spell-checker role.</div><di=
v><br /></div><div>I tried your example &quot;calonu&quot;. It seems the &q=
uot;lonu&quot; entry exists, so my dictionary inteprets that as a &quot;nor=
mal word&quot; (=3D non-simple-cmavo) instead of a &quot;compound cmavo&quo=
t;. But all following combinations are now valid :</div><div><ul><li>ca, lo=
, nu<br /></li><li>lo nu, lonu, ca lo, calo</li><li>ca lonu, calo nu, calon=
u<br /></li></ul>Only calo &amp; calonu are detected as a compound (remembe=
r &quot;lonu&quot; is an entry), but anyway that works as expected.<br />Ex=
perimental cmavo support will be added soon.<br /></div><div><br /></div><d=
iv>Do you know other rules that could be great integrating?</div><div>Pleas=
e test (&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://github.com/Sukender/lojban-spell-check-dis=
t" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/Sukender/lojban-spell-check-dist</a=
>&nbsp;) and give feedback! ki'e</div><div><br /></div><div>I still have is=
sues with dots in LibreOffice (.i .a and such)... And some words of &quot;l=
e cmalu noltru&quot; are not recognized yet. Is there any other word source=
 I can use?</div><div><br /></div><div>co'o</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v><br /></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Sukender</div></div>

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