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There are so many alternate ways to express the same thing, and you don't want to have to handle them all separately. I think there is some value in starting lojban lessons with the simplest, most useful, most universal words the language provides. Knowing the equivalences would help a lot in identifying what is indispensible and what is mere syntactic sugar. mihe bremenli On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 2:51:50 AM UTC-7, Benoit Neil wrote: > > coi ro do > > Interesting. Just for my information, do you think that those equivalents > could be used... > > - ...to ease machine interpretation of Lojban texts? > - ...to help writing simpler "beginners Lojban lessons", by providing > means to learn fewer constructs and words? > > ki'e > .i co'o > > -- > Sukender > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Certainly, any machine handling of the semantics of lojban= texts would deploy many such rewrite rules to simplify and canonicalize th= e grammar.
There are so many alternate ways to express the same thing, a= nd you don't want to have to handle them all separately.

I think= there is some value in starting lojban lessons with the simplest, most use= ful, most universal words the language provides.
Knowing the equivalence= s would help a lot in identifying what is indispensible and what is mere sy= ntactic sugar.

mihe bremenli

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at = 2:51:50 AM UTC-7, Benoit Neil wrote:
coi ro do

Interesting. Just for m= y information, do you think that those equivalents could be used...
  • ...to ease machine interpretation of Lojban texts?
  • ...to= help writing simpler "beginners Lojban lessons", by providing me= ans to learn fewer constructs and words?
ki'e
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.i co'o

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Sukender
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