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Sources.
The gismu, rafsi, rough gloss, and prolix definition came from jbovlaste.
The short glosses were my improvements, based on the definitions.
The mnemonics came from the etymology in the 6 languages, software=20
evaluated for relevance by similarity, then adjusted by hand.
The frequency rank was my own mish-mash combination from several sources of=
=20
frequency.
The glosses for conversion sumti came from a flash-card deck, I forget=20
which, polished by myself.
The types and case tags are my own homebrew, but they frequently come from=
=20
annotations in the jbovlaste def itself.
The example sentences are from la gleki's dictionary, from la muplis, and=
=20
from my own creativity.
The lujvo examples were software selected from a big file of lujvo that I=
=20
analyzed -- but they ought to be chosen for interest.
The classification of gismu will be based on a listing I found that sorts=
=20
gismu in categories, which I am refining.

Processing this stuff into a dictionary might be a little better than a=20
dump of jbovlaste, but would still call for proofreading.

Spell checking of lojban is more algorithmic than for most languages.
The gismu and cmavo lists are fixed, except for classes allowing for=20
experimental forms.
The possible lujvo are not limited by a dictionary but by the morphology=20
algorithm.
Even the fuhivla are open-ended, but limited by the rules.
Still, a spell checker would usefully point out impossible words as=20
distinct from not-yet-defined words as needing attention.

mihe bremenli

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 12:59:03 AM UTC-7, Benoit Neil wrote:
>
> coi do
>
> Thanks for sharing. As I'm developing spell checking dictionaries, I have=
=20
> questions...
>
>    - What sources do you use for your database?
>    - Do you think it would be wise integrating your entries in my=20
>    dictionaries, knowing the fact that I use jbovlaste as a unique source=
 for=20
>    now?
>    - Do you think there might be some data I  could use to improve spell=
=20
>    checking?
>
> ki'e .i co'o
>
> .i mi'e la .sykyndyr.
>
> Le samedi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2017 03:24:50 UTC+2, Vincent Broman a =C3=A9crit :
>>
>> In case this might be useful to others, and perhaps in hopes of gatherin=
g=20
>> helpful diffs/patches if anyone does updates,
>> I wanted to share my evolving database on the gismu.
>>
>> lojban_gismu_dict.txt
>> https://app.box.com/s/tq9jcjlrwj5ah21hy0hldhd1bn25wo7m
>>
>> The format looks like this.
>>
>> <gismu> <cvc-rafsi>     <ccv-rafsi>     <cvv-rafsi>     #<frequency-rank=
>
>> fanva: <short-gloss>
>> morji: <mnemonics-cognates>
>> klesi: <gismu-category>
>> <predicate-template-with-slots>
>> A/fa: <type-of-A>: <A-case-role>: <gloss-for-lo-gismu>
>> B/fe: <type-of-B>: <B-case-role>: <gloss-for-lo-se-gismu>
>> C/fi: <type-of-C>: <C-case-role>: <gloss-for-lo-te-gismu>
>> D/fo: <type-of-D>: <D-case-role>: <gloss-for-lo-ve-gismu>
>> E/fu: <type-of-E>: <E-case-role>: <gloss-for-lo-xe-gismu>
>> mupli: <example-sentence-filling-all-slots>
>> lujvo: <examples-of-short-lujvo-with-these-short-rafsi>
>>
>> cusku   cus     sku             #14
>> fanva: express
>> morji: express say
>> klesi:=20
>> person A expresses or says text B for audience C via expressive medium D=
;
>> A/fa: PRS: ACT: expresser
>> B/fe: TXT: PRD: expressed words
>> C/fi: PRS: DST: audience
>> D/fo: THI: INS: expressive medium
>> mupli: le gunka jatna cu cusku se duhu miha ba mutce gunka kei miha lo=
=20
>> samselmri
>> lujvo: cuskahi cuskuhi skudji skuspu biksku cnisku
>>
>> The short glosses are the actual English text one would put in between=
=20
>> x1/A and x2/B, usually without a leading "is" or a trailing "of".
>> The gismu categories are a future enhancement not yet present.
>> The definition templates in many cases are simplified from the prolix=20
>> definitions usually found.
>> The argument types and cases have mnemonics defined in the following=20
>> lists. They are pretty debatable.
>>
>> types-cases.txt
>> https://app.box.com/s/26vo9vgncz0f1xrnukc79l8ftl7bczo5
>>
>> The database includes all the standard gismu and defs, but a lot of othe=
r=20
>> info in it is very incomplete.
>> I am in process of adding in many of la gleki's example sentences from=
=20
>> his dictionary, which are useful for learning.
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> mihe bremenli
>>
>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sources.<br>The gismu, rafsi, rough gloss, and prolix defi=
nition came from jbovlaste.<br>The short glosses were my improvements, base=
d on the definitions.<br>The mnemonics came from the etymology in the 6 lan=
guages, software evaluated for relevance by similarity, then adjusted by ha=
nd.<br>The frequency rank was my own mish-mash combination from several sou=
rces of frequency.<br>The glosses for conversion sumti came from a flash-ca=
rd deck, I forget which, polished by myself.<br>The types and case tags are=
 my own homebrew, but they frequently come from annotations in the jbovlast=
e def itself.<br>The example sentences are from la gleki&#39;s dictionary, =
from la muplis, and from my own creativity.<br>The lujvo examples were soft=
ware selected from a big file of lujvo that I analyzed -- but they ought to=
 be chosen for interest.<br>The classification of gismu will be based on a =
listing I found that sorts gismu in categories, which I am refining.<br><br=
>Processing this stuff into a dictionary might be a little better than a du=
mp of jbovlaste, but would still call for proofreading.<br><br>Spell checki=
ng of lojban is more algorithmic than for most languages.<br>The gismu and =
cmavo lists are fixed, except for classes allowing for experimental forms.<=
br>The possible lujvo are not limited by a dictionary but by the morphology=
 algorithm.<br>Even the fuhivla are open-ended, but limited by the rules.<b=
r>Still, a spell checker would usefully point out impossible words as disti=
nct from not-yet-defined words as needing attention.<br><br>mihe bremenli<b=
r><br>On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 12:59:03 AM UTC-7, Benoit Neil wrote:=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>coi do</=
div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for sharing. As I&#39;m developing spell che=
cking dictionaries, I have questions...</div><div><ul><li>What sources do y=
ou use for your database?</li><li>Do you think it would be wise integrating=
 your entries in my dictionaries, knowing the fact that I use jbovlaste as =
a unique source for now?</li><li>Do you think there might be some data I =
=C2=A0could use to improve spell checking?</li></ul></div><div>ki&#39;e .i =
co&#39;o</div><div><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la .sykyndyr.</div><br>Le sam=
edi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2017 03:24:50 UTC+2, Vincent Broman a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">In case this might be=
 useful to others, and perhaps in hopes of gathering helpful diffs/patches =
if anyone does updates,<br>I wanted to share my evolving database on the gi=
smu.<br><br>lojban_gismu_dict.txt<br><a href=3D"https://app.box.com/s/tq9jc=
jlrwj5ah21hy0hldhd1bn25wo7m" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=
=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.=
com%2Fs%2Ftq9jcjlrwj5ah21hy0hldhd1bn25wo7m\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x=
3dAFQjCNHTF58nTSWY0FIsTJHP6E1e-RizNQ&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.hre=
f=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2Ftq=
9jcjlrwj5ah21hy0hldhd1bn25wo7m\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHTF5=
8nTSWY0FIsTJHP6E1e-RizNQ&#39;;return true;">https://app.box.com/s/<wbr>tq9j=
cjlrwj5ah21hy0hldhd1bn25wo<wbr>7m</a><br><br>The format looks like this.<br=
><br>&lt;gismu&gt; &lt;cvc-rafsi&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;ccv-rafsi&=
gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;cvv-rafsi&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 #&lt;=
frequency-rank&gt;<br>fanva: &lt;short-gloss&gt;<br>morji: &lt;mnemonics-co=
gnates&gt;<br>klesi: &lt;gismu-category&gt;<br>&lt;predicate-template-with-=
<wbr>slots&gt;<br>A/fa: &lt;type-of-A&gt;: &lt;A-case-role&gt;: &lt;gloss-f=
or-lo-gismu&gt;<br>B/fe: &lt;type-of-B&gt;: &lt;B-case-role&gt;: &lt;gloss-=
for-lo-se-gismu&gt;<br>C/fi: &lt;type-of-C&gt;: &lt;C-case-role&gt;: &lt;gl=
oss-for-lo-te-gismu&gt;<br>D/fo: &lt;type-of-D&gt;: &lt;D-case-role&gt;: &l=
t;gloss-for-lo-ve-gismu&gt;<br>E/fu: &lt;type-of-E&gt;: &lt;E-case-role&gt;=
: &lt;gloss-for-lo-xe-gismu&gt;<br>mupli: &lt;example-sentence-filling-all-=
<wbr>slots&gt;<br>lujvo: &lt;examples-of-short-lujvo-with-<wbr>these-short-=
rafsi&gt;<br><br>cusku=C2=A0=C2=A0 cus=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 sku=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 #14<br>fanv=
a: express<br>morji: express say<br>klesi: <br>person A expresses or says t=
ext B for audience C via expressive medium D;<br>A/fa: PRS: ACT: expresser<=
br>B/fe: TXT: PRD: expressed words<br>C/fi: PRS: DST: audience<br>D/fo: THI=
: INS: expressive medium<br>mupli: le gunka jatna cu cusku se duhu miha ba =
mutce gunka kei miha lo samselmri<br>lujvo: cuskahi cuskuhi skudji skuspu b=
iksku cnisku<br><br>The short glosses are the actual English text one would=
 put in between x1/A and x2/B, usually without a leading &quot;is&quot; or =
a trailing &quot;of&quot;.<br>The gismu categories are a future enhancement=
 not yet present.<br>The definition templates in many cases are simplified =
from the prolix definitions usually found.<br>The argument types and cases =
have mnemonics defined in the following lists. They are pretty debatable.<b=
r><br>types-cases.txt<br><a href=3D"https://app.box.com/s/26vo9vgncz0f1xrnu=
kc79l8ftl7bczo5" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=3D"this.hre=
f=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2F26=
vo9vgncz0f1xrnukc79l8ftl7bczo5\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFCoX=
Eh47Qa_JKxgyRxPB3TfQVJ2Q&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;htt=
ps://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2F26vo9vgncz0f1x=
rnukc79l8ftl7bczo5\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFCoXEh47Qa_JKxgy=
RxPB3TfQVJ2Q&#39;;return true;">https://app.box.com/s/<wbr>26vo9vgncz0f1xrn=
ukc79l8ftl7bcz<wbr>o5</a><br><br>The database includes all the standard gis=
mu and defs, but a lot of other info in it is very incomplete.<br>I am in p=
rocess of adding in many of la gleki&#39;s example sentences from his dicti=
onary, which are useful for learning.<br>Enjoy.<br><br>mihe bremenli<br><br=
></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>

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