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2017-10-12 17:28 GMT+03:00 <sukender1@gmail.com>:

> Gleki, as far as I understood from the docs, those platforms are (or will
> be) open sourced.
>

Including the server side part? Ok, that's nice then.


> This is not really the issue actually. Indeed, this (more-or-less) open
> source code is used as a foundation layer, acting ontop of a blockchain t=
o
> replace "trusted" 3rd parties. This is the same principle with
> cryptocurrencies, but here instead of using blockchain transactions for
> *money* (replacing the bank as a trusted 3rd party), "smart contracts"
> and other (non-financial) "validated transactions" are used as a base for
> software (named "dApps"). Said otherwise, you will still have to finance
> the blockchain construction & validation, even if source code is open.
>

To never lose history of transactions? Decentralized servers? I doubt
that's viable for us if we get a high load on Lojbanistan-hosted servers
from many users not related to Lojban and it's hardly useful when we use
such things within Lojbanistan only (why not have a simple database, which
every Lojbanist can download)


> ( I hope my explanation is correct! )
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sukender
>
>
> Le jeudi 12 octobre 2017 13:35:18 UTC+2, Gleki Arxokuna a =C3=A9crit :
>>
>>
>>
>> Em quarta-feira, 11 de outubro de 2017 17:25:09 UTC+3, Robin Powell
>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Nope.  It's just something I bumped into.  Similarly
>>> https://www.holacracy.org/how-it-works/
>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.holacracy.org%2Fhow-i=
t-works%2F&sa=3DD&sntz=3D1&usg=3DAFQjCNGylpV3TUfTruCldyL4ttefr7uuyw>
>>>
>>
>> Maybe one can just find an open source alternative to them?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 02:41:27AM -0700, suke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > Hi Robin,
>>> >
>>> > The global concept of an open "meritocracy" sounds good, and may be
>>> adapted
>>> > for whatever people could bring to Lojban. However, Colony.io's
>>> business
>>> > model is not perfectly clear to me. Moreover, it seems heavily tied
>>> with
>>> > ETH crypto-currency and Ethereal technology (which are rather new to
>>> me,
>>> > too).
>>> > This makes me a bit suspicious (yeah, I just can't fully trust things
>>> I
>>> > don't understand!)... Do you have information that may clarify all of
>>> this?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Sukender
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Le lundi 9 octobre 2017 01:28:59 UTC+2, Robin Powell a =C3=A9crit :
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > https://colony.io/
>>> > >
>>> > > Seems like the sort of thing that might help small/volunteer orgs
>>> > > like the Lojban community get more done.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2017-10-12 17:28 GMT+03:00  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:suk=
ender1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sukender1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Gleki, as far as I und=
erstood from the docs, those platforms are (or will be) open sourced.</div>=
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Including the server side part? Ok, =
that&#39;s nice then.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div> This is not really the issue actually. Indeed, this =
(more-or-less) open source code is used as a foundation layer, acting ontop=
 of a blockchain to replace &quot;trusted&quot; 3rd parties. This is the sa=
me principle with cryptocurrencies, but here instead of using blockchain tr=
ansactions for <i>money</i>=C2=A0(replacing the bank as a trusted 3rd party=
), &quot;smart contracts&quot; and other (non-financial) &quot;validated tr=
ansactions&quot; are used as a base for software (named &quot;dApps&quot;).=
 Said otherwise, you will still have to finance the blockchain construction=
 &amp; validation, even if source code is open.</div></div></blockquote><di=
v><br></div><div>To never lose history of transactions? Decentralized serve=
rs? I doubt that&#39;s viable for us if we get a high load on Lojbanistan-h=
osted servers from many users not related to Lojban and it&#39;s hardly use=
ful when we use such things within Lojbanistan only (why not have a simple =
database, which every Lojbanist can download)</div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div>( I ho=
pe my explanation is correct! )<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></=
div><div>Sukender<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>Le jeudi 12 octobre 2017 13=
:35:18 UTC+2, Gleki Arxokuna a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Em quarta-feira, 11 de outubro de 201=
7 17:25:09 UTC+3, Robin Powell  escreveu:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">Nope.=C2=A0 It&#39;s just something I bumped into.=C2=A0 Similarly
<br><a href=3D"https://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.holacracy.o=
rg%2Fhow-it-works%2F&amp;sa=3DD&amp;sntz=3D1&amp;usg=3DAFQjCNGylpV3TUfTruCl=
dyL4ttefr7uuyw" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.holacracy.or=
g/how-<wbr>it-works/</a>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe one can just find an open source=
 alternative to them?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<br>On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 02:41:27AM -0700, <a rel=3D"nofollow">suke...@g=
mail.com</a> wrote:
<br>&gt; Hi Robin,
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; The global concept of an open &quot;meritocracy&quot; sounds good,=
 and may be adapted=20
<br>&gt; for whatever people could bring to Lojban. However, Colony.io&#39;=
s business=20
<br>&gt; model is not perfectly clear to me. Moreover, it seems heavily tie=
d with=20
<br>&gt; ETH crypto-currency and Ethereal technology (which are rather new =
to me,=20
<br>&gt; too).
<br>&gt; This makes me a bit suspicious (yeah, I just can&#39;t fully trust=
 things I=20
<br>&gt; don&#39;t understand!)... Do you have information that may clarify=
 all of this?
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; Thanks.
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; --=20
<br>&gt; Sukender
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; Le lundi 9 octobre 2017 01:28:59 UTC+2, Robin Powell a =C3=A9crit =
:
<br>&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://colony.io/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://colony.io/</a>=20
<br>&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; Seems like the sort of thing that might help small/volunteer =
orgs=20
<br>&gt; &gt; like the Lojban community get more done.=20
<br>&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;=20
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