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Subject: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban
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Le dimanche 5 novembre 2017 10:01:39 UTC, Benoit Neil a =C3=A9crit :
>
> coi
>
>
coi do

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> I recently stumbled upon a document (le teris...) which was in declined i=
n=20
> two versions: "CLL Lojban=20
> <https://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_.teris._po%27u_lo_tirxu_cu_vitke_zi%27o_l=
e_barda_tcadu>"=20
> and "modern Lojban=20
> <https://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_.teris._ku_noi_tigra_cu_stuvi%27e_lo_bard=
a_tcadu>".=20
> I don't understand why.
>
>    - What is the status of "modern Lojban"? Is it a kind of beta /=20
>    pre-release / proposal? Or is there a *schism */ fork, were a group=20
>    prefer one version over the other?
>
>
"Modern Lojban" is some versions of dialects that are used by some people=
=20
who thinks their own dialects are the modern Lojban, and the others'=20
dialects are not. Here is my "accusation" against the situation.

https://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_egocentrism_of_a_Lojban_community

As for the newer one among the texts of {teris}, however, not only their=20
"modern Lojban" but also my dialect regards it as grammatical.

I don't call their dialects "beta" or "pre-release", but they are a group=
=20
of proposals in any case. There is a schism of Lojban speakers according to=
=20
preference of dialects, and I created a documentary film about it last year=
:

https://vimeo.com/190637628

=20

>
>    - What are (in a few words) the differences between the two? *Why *cho=
ose=20
>    one or another?
>   =20
>
Some of the differences are already described in the documentary film above=
.
I choose neither their "modern Lojban" nor the CLL's, but mine, which I=20
call "Zantufa", because I prefer it. I don't care what the others choose.=
=20
Some people choose "modern Lojban", and some others persist in the CLL=20
Lojban.

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>
>    - Where is the reference documentation of "modern Lojban"?
>
>
Unfortunately, I don't find any comprehensive document about their "modern=
=20
Lojban". As for my dialect, here is the one:

https://mw.lojban.org/papri/zantufa

=20

> .i ki'e ro do
> .i co'o
>
>

je'e ui do
mi'e la guskant
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Le dimanche 5 novembre 2017 10:01:39 UTC, Benoit N=
eil a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0=
;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div>coi</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>coi do</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>I recently stumbled upon =
a document (le teris...) which was in declined in two versions: &quot;<a hr=
ef=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_.teris._po%27u_lo_tirxu_cu_vitke_zi%27=
o_le_barda_tcadu" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.hr=
ef=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpap=
ri%2Fla_.teris._po%2527u_lo_tirxu_cu_vitke_zi%2527o_le_barda_tcadu\x26sa\x3=
dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNG0B0rA6EAKdn1Yin1xWPM0rVsSDw&#39;;return tr=
ue;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2=
F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapri%2Fla_.teris._po%2527u_lo_tirxu_cu_vitke_zi%2527o_=
le_barda_tcadu\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNG0B0rA6EAKdn1Yin1xWP=
M0rVsSDw&#39;;return true;">CLL Lojban</a>&quot; and &quot;<a href=3D"https=
://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_.teris._ku_noi_tigra_cu_stuvi%27e_lo_barda_tcadu"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https:/=
/www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapri%2Fla_.teris._k=
u_noi_tigra_cu_stuvi%2527e_lo_barda_tcadu\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3=
dAFQjCNESO8ZnGhCfPL8PG82nfd1sZvYgLA&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=
=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapri=
%2Fla_.teris._ku_noi_tigra_cu_stuvi%2527e_lo_barda_tcadu\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz=
\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNESO8ZnGhCfPL8PG82nfd1sZvYgLA&#39;;return true;">moder=
n Lojban</a>&quot;. I don&#39;t understand why.</div><div><ul><li>What is t=
he status of &quot;modern Lojban&quot;? Is it a kind of beta / pre-release =
/ proposal? Or is there a <b>schism </b>/ fork, were a group prefer one ver=
sion over the other?</li></ul></div></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div>=
<div>&quot;Modern Lojban&quot; is some versions of dialects that are used b=
y some people who thinks their own dialects are the modern Lojban, and the =
others&#39; dialects are not. Here is my &quot;accusation&quot; against the=
 situation.</div><div><br></div><div>https://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_egocen=
trism_of_a_Lojban_community</div><div><br></div><div>As for the newer one a=
mong the texts of {teris}, however, not only their &quot;modern Lojban&quot=
; but also my dialect regards it as grammatical.</div><div><br></div><div>I=
 don&#39;t call their dialects &quot;beta&quot; or &quot;pre-release&quot;,=
 but they are a group of proposals in any case. There is a schism of Lojban=
 speakers according to preference of dialects, and I created a documentary =
film about it last year:</div><div><br></div><div>https://vimeo.com/1906376=
28</div><div><br></div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><ul><li>What are (in a few words) the=
 differences between the two? <b>Why </b>choose one or another?<br></li></u=
l></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>Some of the differences=
 are already described in the documentary film above.</div><div>I choose ne=
ither their &quot;modern Lojban&quot; nor the CLL&#39;s, but mine, which I =
call &quot;Zantufa&quot;, because I prefer it. I don&#39;t care what the ot=
hers choose. Some people choose &quot;modern Lojban&quot;, and some others =
persist in the CLL Lojban.</div><div><br></div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-l=
eft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><ul><li>Where=
 is the reference documentation of &quot;modern Lojban&quot;?</li></ul></di=
v></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>Unfortunately, I don&#39;t fi=
nd any comprehensive document about their &quot;modern Lojban&quot;. As for=
 my dialect, here is the one:</div><div><br></div><div>https://mw.lojban.or=
g/papri/zantufa</div><div><br></div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>.i ki&#39;e ro do</=
div></div><div>.i co&#39;o</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>je&#39;e ui do</div><div>mi&#39;e la guskant</div=
><div>=C2=A0</div></div>

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