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[212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s6si693033wme.4.2017.11.05.05.10.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Nov 2017 05:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from [192.168.178.22] ([84.190.181.202]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MPUlV-1e6frX2V2f-004hy8 for ; Sun, 05 Nov 2017 14:10:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [lojban] CLL and modern Lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: From: solpahi Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 14:10:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 171105-0, 05.11.2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Ihs/SQCHc3K0x4LvVV4DCrvf6GYiH7gsd+UIQnuemEw6NtnXLuH h5zgvLgDR5e98GwN9k1+vBUMESsXBJa01N85hnbhTlJm9vaN1jXI6Tq5mdmF+ICqEuHgKgW Q/TS9QdD9oGnpnkmp3QMfeWVJEb3OK7X7JXXKOP4d/qh7jTHsf1YS/pFugK9+eD4LP7HIz6 MYVOihH5Xf+2vNW8XwxfA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:SZ6wtlzqLJY=:c9bndcQckJXg3dEKpCHw5f +yMuwIdSGfOtEMfO8ZOoNGuT5JhVUJ1V2iYG9buZyu4fRhwMop+QeGog9GfFfgX3EOW1BPqjE j/JyfRSmI4Mk9LOxpcIEY7/+5VDSVAEUSZl4BE7CluK3IlyD+kKy2dS9LGboCEWVluIy8Um6r wxRcHkXaPkV6kiY+Tp9yznTyrgMhExhYibEjOmc/dYSB1CuXKJu9b7mkFPlVgi9tExog/x0WL pJoAZ2ckQDa3Z0uPKq80r9106j6mYcvh7WzuR/JOzZUXzJ7FnONznhuyrhOiH1mJcEmNS3ChB opt2RAwJw4X8gcmmfXSllw4Pl783Iqj1CQ+M6K1Vyz2IXpTFApalki9LP0urM0tgr9GUw79Mz iE8ut1NvNjF41KRtK6jJYQ4/ZjxeQubCuoX5ozxnFb5dOex1JpJSu6I9nWNz+QHhF0sWyV+VV XytWve3Ll6Ne+E9tXqKOZkcClaOt5XcPpsCK8SIFjb0223HKazDv4K+2UtMtqCVKoi3DmG4yF YriHhgAo0cMkfWbfkVX7sdZMRCvcXZlUr7F37y+jmfLq2arAE2deGsapoZNFdHEcEun4PktLG BPrKL3sREqPTppZI36tmzCtH/SxIJ34PamgwYz94S5CMsxyBszc9biD9XYZ8mJPzmePX+FKsb wX8EfQ50CPz9q6q/esZI2HZtfeFFD4G80STgqV1AkPrYdu1Ztj+uzq/TiHbYYHbZrdHzo9UN6 B21tdGztDKz748OuQV3BeiYSGnPX1WJ3wgzJUsJyCCsIt9tr+F4yX+n+NQGziI4BeniaFZFxS 8csw1CGZuC3VzRDmKiKUTepmFYgjPx6R6cHZvl4TigErOvwOgQ= X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.0 X-Spam_score_int: -39 X-Spam_bar: ---- It is not clear what "modern Lojban" is, but it is clear what it is not=20 (for example, it is *not* the Lojban described in the CLL). As for what it *is*, there is no clear definition and there probably=20 can't be until all the different ways people speak form a coherent=20 dialect that people more or less agree on (which might never happen). CLL vs "modern Lojban" is a false dichotomy. There are several clearly=20 distinguishable modern (i.e., not 20 years old) "dialects", some of them=20 are documented, in part or in full, and many are not. What is clear,=20 however, is that people don't want to use CLL Lojban (despite the fact=20 that it is still the most thoroughly documented version). If you learn a=20 bit more about Lojban and get familiar with its details, you will most=20 likely begin to understand why. 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