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Subject: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban
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... or maybe meritocraty-democraty or any adapted stuff.


Le dimanche 5 novembre 2017 21:04:54 UTC+1, Benoit Neil a =C3=A9crit :
>
> Wow. This is even worse than I thought.
>
> One great thing about Lojban is that it is supposed to be unique. What I=
=20
> read here is like if people said "Hey, I invented a Lojban-French", and=
=20
> "Me, a Lojban-Chinese", and "Lojban-English"... That sounds so stupid.
>
> Let me be clear: I'm *NOT *judging anyone forking Lojban. Surely they had=
=20
> good reasons to do so. Actually nobody can pretend forseeing any case, an=
d=20
> write an "immutable" language. So yes, it is obvious that the language=20
> evolves and will evolve, even an hypothetic "official an unique" Lojban.
>
> What is unfortunate is that all forking work should be reintegrated in=20
> some way to the "trunk", or else we'll end up with many "Lojbans" wich wi=
ll=20
> actually kill Lojban (whatever version).
>
> I understand the lack of leadership, but it feels more like a lack of=20
> structures for democraty. It would be nice to have such structures, but=
=20
> unfortunately I don't know how this could be initiated. One idea would be=
=20
> to mimic software, a bit as OpenGL did, having the core, extensions, and=
=20
> proposals.
>
>
> <http://trac.openscenegraph.org/projects/osg/raw-attachment/wiki/Support/=
KnowledgeBase/OpenGL/OpenGL3Notes/OpenGL3DeprecationProcess.png>
>
>
>
> To be frank, I feel a bit betrayed. I feel bad because my hope was that=
=20
> Lojban was more that just an experiment. Someone, please, prove me it is.=
..
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">... or maybe meritocraty-democraty or any adapted stuff.<d=
iv><br><br>Le dimanche 5 novembre 2017 21:04:54 UTC+1, Benoit Neil a =C3=A9=
crit=C2=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left=
: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv>Wow. This is even worse than I thought.</div><div><br></div><div>One gre=
at thing about Lojban is that it is supposed to be unique. What I read here=
 is like if people said &quot;Hey, I invented a Lojban-French&quot;, and &q=
uot;Me, a Lojban-Chinese&quot;, and &quot;Lojban-English&quot;... That soun=
ds so stupid.</div><div><br></div><div>Let me be clear: I&#39;m <b>NOT </b>=
judging anyone forking Lojban. Surely they had good reasons to do so. Actua=
lly nobody can pretend forseeing any case, and write an &quot;immutable&quo=
t; language. So yes, it is obvious that the language evolves and will evolv=
e, even an hypothetic &quot;official an unique&quot; Lojban.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>What is unfortunate is that all forking work should be reintegra=
ted in some way to the &quot;trunk&quot;, or else we&#39;ll end up with man=
y &quot;Lojbans&quot; wich will actually kill Lojban (whatever version).</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>I understand the lack of leadership, but it feels mo=
re like a lack of structures for democraty. It would be nice to have such s=
tructures, but unfortunately I don&#39;t know how this could be initiated. =
One idea would be to mimic software, a bit as OpenGL did, having the core, =
extensions, and proposals.</div><p style=3D"text-align:center;clear:both"><=
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div><br></div><div>To be frank, I feel a bit betrayed. I feel bad because m=
y hope was that Lojban was more that just an experiment. Someone, please, p=
rove me it is...</div></div></blockquote></div></div>

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