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doi la .aionys.

.i ki'e u'ucru'e mi punai djuno fe la .byfy.
I must say I did not read enough through the various pages to reach that=20
info.

Anyway, if you say the BPFK works as I described, then I feel it's good=20
news. However:

   - From afar, CLL seems a bit "stuck" at 1.1. Am I right? Do you think=20
   there would be some 1.x before 2.0 (ie. minor updates)?
   - As I said on #ckule (IRC), it might be a good idea to write on the=20
      front page the version of the CLL and its release date ;-)
   - Are some "betas" / "working branches" available (or will be=20
   available), so that people get a chance to have a look at before the=20
   official release?
   - Do you have in mind any plausible releases dates? I'm not asking for a=
=20
   contractual thing, of course! Just to have a vague idea in mind.

Aside from that, and from my novice point of view, it seems that forks do=
=20
exist and seem significant. Isn't it a signal, asking for more updates in=
=20
the official CLL? Or do you feel that *some* people forking are simply=20
impatient having their proposals integrated? What is your point of view?

la .sykyndyr.

.i mi kamjunmre mi fi la .lojban. me'a lu .abu. pa li'u le ropno bangu bo=
=20
manri=20
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_L=
anguages>
.i ganai la .lojban. pe mi toldra gi e'o o'anai ko dragau
(I self-evaluate my Lojban level as being less than A1, as for the CEFR=20
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_L=
anguages>.=20
Please correct my Lojban if I'm wrong!)


Le lundi 6 novembre 2017 07:39:19 UTC+1, aionys a =C3=A9crit :
>
>
> That is literally what the BPFK is for. And CLL is the official Lojban,=
=20
> notwithstanding the very few proposals that have been accepted since it's=
=20
> publication.
>
> The current CLL is mostly just an update to the original to make it easie=
r=20
> to publish and use modern technologies to make it easy to update, plus=20
> fixing typographical and grammatical errors. (That's why it's called CLL=
=20
> v1.1, IIRC.)
>
> Eventually, the CLL will be updated to include the changes since first=20
> publication, that project is known as CLL v2, and I'm certain Robin would=
=20
> love help with working on that.
>
> --=20
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>doi la .aionys.</div><div><br></div><div>.i ki&#39;e =
u&#39;ucru&#39;e mi punai djuno fe la .byfy.</div><div>I must say I did not=
 read enough through the various pages to reach that info.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Anyway, if you say the BPFK works as I described, then I feel it&#=
39;s good news. However:</div><div><ul><li>From afar, CLL seems a bit &quot=
;stuck&quot; at 1.1. Am I right? Do you think there would be some 1.x befor=
e 2.0 (ie. minor updates)?<br></li><ul><li>As I said on #ckule (IRC), it mi=
ght be a good idea to write on the front page the version of the CLL and it=
s release date ;-)</li></ul><li>Are some &quot;betas&quot; / &quot;working =
branches&quot; available (or will be available), so that people get a chanc=
e to have a look at before the official release?<br></li><li>Do you have in=
 mind any plausible releases dates? I&#39;m not asking for a contractual th=
ing, of course! Just to have a vague idea in mind.</li></ul></div><div>Asid=
e from that, and from my novice point of view, it seems that forks do exist=
 and seem significant. Isn&#39;t it a signal, asking for more updates in th=
e official CLL? Or do you feel that <u>some</u> people forking are simply i=
mpatient having their proposals integrated? What is your point of view?</di=
v><div><br></div><div><div>la .sykyndyr.</div></div><div><br></div><div><di=
v>.i mi kamjunmre mi fi la .lojban. me&#39;a lu .abu. pa li&#39;u <a href=
=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_fo=
r_Languages">le ropno bangu bo manri</a></div><div>.i ganai la .lojban. pe =
mi toldra gi e&#39;o o&#39;anai ko dragau</div><div>(I self-evaluate my Loj=
ban level as being less than A1, as for <a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org=
/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages">the CEFR</a>. P=
lease correct my Lojban if I&#39;m wrong!)</div></div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><br>Le lundi 6 novembre 2017 07:39:19 UTC+1, aionys a =C3=A9crit=
=C2=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.=
8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><=
br></div><div>That is literally what the BPFK is for. And CLL is the offici=
al Lojban, notwithstanding the very few proposals that have been accepted s=
ince it&#39;s publication.</div><div><br></div><div>The current CLL is most=
ly just an update to the original to make it easier to publish and use mode=
rn technologies to make it easy to update, plus fixing typographical and gr=
ammatical errors. (That&#39;s why it&#39;s called CLL v1.1, IIRC.)</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Eventually, the CLL will be updated to include the changes=
 since first publication, that project is known as CLL v2, and I&#39;m cert=
ain Robin would love help with working on that.<br clear=3D"all"></div><div=
><br>-- <br><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima l=
o pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Si=
de! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br></div>
</div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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