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This is also why I asked for other references=20 (and still asking!). As I said, I'm not against forking. I feel like this= =20 is not an issue, as long as people are willing to try reintegrate their=20 work to the core language. But this requires compromise & accommodation on= =20 both sides, and evaluating if a reintegration is worth the job is already a= =20 job. And even if many Lojbanists are enthusiasts, they all need money to=20 live and cannot work for free indefinitely. I just don't want to spend time learning things if they would be thrown=20 away in a few months/years, or if this dilutes a fragile project. la .sykyndyr. Le lundi 6 novembre 2017 16:01:00 UTC+1, Gleki Arxokuna a =C3=A9crit : > > As you can see this is unlikely to happen since people like to fork but..= . > > you have CLL. It contains all the rules needed and makes the language=20 > functional. > > If you read it all and say "I want to speak something else " that's okay.= =20 > For now there is no document like this book in the amount of information= =20 > introduced for a speakable logical language. > > Lojban is not in someone's head. It's been put on paper. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_14914_360582914.1510043928060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
@Gleki: What you wrote is roughly what as I, as a roo= kie, found: the CLL is what seems most complete. This is also why I asked f= or other references (and still asking!). As I said, I'm not against for= king. I feel like this is not an issue, as long as people are willing to tr= y reintegrate their work to the core language. But this requires compromise= & accommodation on both sides, and evaluating if a reintegration is wo= rth the job is already a job. And even if many Lojbanists are enthusiasts, = they all need money to live and cannot work for free indefinitely.

I just don't want to spend time learning things if the= y would be thrown away in a few months/years, or if this dilutes a fragile = project.

la .sykyndyr.

Le lundi 6 novembre 2017 16:01:00 UTC+1, Gleki Arxokuna a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0= :
As you can see this is u= nlikely to happen since people like to fork but...

you have CLL. It contains all the rules needed and makes the language func= tional.

If you read it all and say "I want to= speak something else " that's okay. For now there is no document = like this book in the amount of information introduced for a speakable logi= cal language.

Lojban is not in someone's head.= It's been put on paper.

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