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You seem rather bitter about the current situation. Am I right? What is your position about it? Could you imagine something to "fix" the=20 situation? Thanks. la .sykyndyr. Le lundi 6 novembre 2017 18:57:09 UTC+1, clifford a =C3=A9crit : > > "Lojban: the language where no one ever knows whether what he says is=20 > grammatical, and,if it is, whether it means what he intended." is=20 > apparently even more true now than it was nearly 30 years ago when it was= =20 > first proposed. Even monoparsing, basically the only reason for Lojban's= =20 > existence, is more in doubt now than it was even back in the early days o= f=20 > CLL (well, getting the right parse, at least; getting a unique one is=20 > easy). All the Baroque excrescences on the simple system JCB tossed away= =20 > 60+ years ago seem to have done the opposite of helping. And clearly=20 > learning Lojban has not helped to make people more rational or logical or= =20 > even sensible. > > pycyn > =20 > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_15005_1694930842.1510044785268 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
doi la .pycyn.

You seem rather bitter a= bout the current situation. Am I right?
What is your position abo= ut it? Could you imagine something to "fix" the situation?
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Thanks.

la .sykyndyr.


Le lundi 6 novembre 2017 18:57:09 UTC+1, clifford a =C3=A9crit=C2= =A0:
"Lojban: the language where no one ever knows whether= what he says is grammatical, and,if it is, whether it means what he intend= ed." is apparently even more true now than it was nearly 30 years ago = when it was first proposed. Even monoparsing, basically the only reason for= Lojban's existence, is more in doubt now than it was even back in the = early days of CLL (well, getting the right parse, at least; getting a uniqu= e one is easy). All the Baroque excrescences on the simple system JCB tosse= d away 60+ years ago seem to have done the opposite of helping. =C2=A0And c= learly learning Lojban has not helped to make people more rational or logic= al or even sensible.

pycyn
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