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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 14:23:02 -0600
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It's that 3rd point, the reintegration into the core, which I see as
untenable.

And what constitutes the core, anyway?

Learning things about the language that only fluent speakers can know means
the language will be improvable in ways the original designers couldn't
have anticipated (or they would have). Therefore change is inevitable.
What's not likely, though, is that the change will keep the language
unified, even backward-compatible. Something along the way (an imperfection
in the original design) will become broken when the change occurs, and this
is unavoidable.

For those who want to learn a language that will never change, pick
something like Sanskrit or Middle Egyptian. Languages MUST change to stay
alive.

stevo

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On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:51 AM, <sukender1@gmail.com> wrote:

> @stevo: Sorry I don't understand the "make it the same as it was before".
> From my point of view:
>
>    - Establishing language rules "forever" is not possible. Therefore
>    some changes will be necessary. This is what called "evolution".
>    - Forking may be interesting. It may be an pure experiment, a "feature
>    branch", a fix, etc.
>    - Reintegrating a branch to the core actually changes the core! This
>    is why it must be done *very carefully*, in order to not break initial
>    intents of the language.
>
> I hope I mad myself clearer :-)
>
>
>
> Le mardi 7 novembre 2017 09:59:20 UTC+1, stevo a =C3=A9crit :
>>
>> sykynder: You mention re-integrating forks back into the core language.
>> How do you change something and then make it the same as it was before? =
And
>> why would you want to?
>>
>> stevo
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">It&#39;s that 3rd point, the reintegration into the core, wh=
ich I see as untenable.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">And what constitutes the core, any=
way?=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier n=
ew,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
ourier new,monospace">Learning things about the language that only fluent s=
peakers can know means the language will be improvable in ways the original=
 designers couldn&#39;t have anticipated (or they would have). Therefore ch=
ange is inevitable. What&#39;s not likely, though, is that the change will =
keep the language unified, even backward-compatible. Something along the wa=
y (an imperfection in the original design) will become broken when the chan=
ge occurs, and this is unavoidable.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">For those who want to =
learn a language that will never change, pick something like Sanskrit or Mi=
ddle Egyptian. Languages MUST change to stay alive.=C2=A0</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">stev=
o</div></div><div id=3D"DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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>On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:51 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
ukender1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sukender1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>@stevo: Sorry =
I don&#39;t understand the &quot;make it the same as it was before&quot;. F=
rom my point of view:</div><div><ul><li>Establishing language rules &quot;f=
orever&quot; is not possible. Therefore some changes will be necessary. Thi=
s is what called &quot;evolution&quot;.</li><li>Forking may be interesting.=
 It may be an pure experiment, a &quot;feature branch&quot;, a fix, etc.</l=
i><li>Reintegrating a branch to the core actually changes the core! This is=
 why it must be done <b>very carefully</b>, in order to not break initial i=
ntents of the language.</li></ul></div>I hope I mad myself clearer :-)<span=
 class=3D""><div><br></div><div><br><br>Le mardi 7 novembre 2017 09:59:20 U=
TC+1, stevo a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">sykynder: You=
 mention re-integrating forks back into the core language. How do you chang=
e something and then make it the same as it was before? And why would you w=
ant to?=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">=C2=A0<=
/div><div style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">stevo</div></div><div=
><br></div>
</blockquote></div></span></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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