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As discussed before, it seems that for now work is absolutely not guided.= =20 This makes creation easy, but at the expense of building a strong and=20 unique "core" (~=3D "official"?) language. I personally think that there is much to do organizing stuff before you try= =20 to address core issues or core improvements. As Gleki wrote, doing stuff on= =20 your own will certainly be seen as another "schism", even if you try and=20 pretend doing that for the core language. I bet that going in that=20 direction will end up with "Ok, great job, but we don't want to integrate= =20 it because X, Y or Z". I'm currently trying to think about & prepare proposals to improve=20 organizations. I'll tell you all soon, so that we can debate. Please share= =20 your thoughts! la .sykyndyr. Le mercredi 8 novembre 2017 07:57:22 UTC+1, Gleki Arxokuna a =C3=A9crit : > > > > 2017-11-07 15:50 GMT+03:00 Gregorio Guidi >: > >> Trying to be very concrete: let's say I have some hours to dedicate to= =20 >> the project... is there some action that I could do that would increase = the=20 >> chances of reaching a CLL 2.0, or a 4th baseline grammar, or in general = to=20 >> have an updated specification of how "official" Lojban should be underst= ood? >> > > You can join LLG by sending a request in English to llg-m...@lojban.org= =20 > In case you get no reply please report. > > As for what actually needs to be done to reach CLL 2.0 that depends on=20 > what you want. If you fork CLL yourself and update something there others= =20 > might not like it. If 10 people update it still e.g. 3 people might not= =20 > like it etc. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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doi la .greg.
As discussed before, it seems that for n= ow work is absolutely not guided. This makes creation easy, but at the expe= nse of building a strong and unique "core" (~=3D "official&q= uot;?) language.
I personally think that there is much to do orga= nizing stuff before you try to address core issues or core improvements. As= Gleki wrote, doing stuff on your own will certainly be seen as another &qu= ot;schism", even if you try and pretend doing that for the core langua= ge. I bet that going in that direction will end up with "Ok, great job= , but we don't want to integrate it because X, Y or Z".
=
I'm currently trying to think about & prepare propos= als to improve organizations. I'll tell you all soon, so that we can de= bate. Please share your thoughts!

la .sykyndyr.


Le mercredi 8 novembre 2017 07:57:22 UTC+1, Gleki Arx= okuna a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:


2017-11-07 15:50 GMT+03= :00 Gregorio Guidi <gregori...@posteo.net>:
Trying to be very concrete: let's say = I have some hours to dedicate to the project... is there some action that I= could do that would increase the chances of reaching a CLL 2.0, or a 4th b= aseline grammar, or in general to have an updated specification of how &quo= t;official" Lojban should be understood?

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