Received: from mail-ua0-f190.google.com ([209.85.217.190]:49952) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eDE3m-00057R-V0 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:29:49 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f190.google.com with SMTP id 49sf4492019uat.8 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:29:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20161025; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=Ir104abqepxSXO+KP6wwRP6XeuKCpZkyFCbuRlu35L4=; b=TgnYBL7Hl9itWUlBqjONWaXzJ75HIsv8Mqy5dJklhPHAfZMSxz9YNtsRBiQzN1P6Xh kSpKKNPqSm2oIG5OvIUINCeZpgER2zW+VBCKVLX+OZtg2LKwhrrf2oInH5asDLwWROPE vul6qwLtHaNdsifjvvPpcdcdJ/4wdzY5K9cUHVdBX3mplZWA7tbFy7O1MS117DYQdPYr bfOxBW5kgDUKqg3kDrpyR1sLzCnFLV8uPrF9RdBDvPKh1ZvA+yptiKFks7z8KPDGJn6R zSB6+U9gwWPAKj4+5dyJAl2ry+FS2D7SAmXsKzmDAvrxkd88BKh3106EmkDma2/ollsy ae4w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=Ir104abqepxSXO+KP6wwRP6XeuKCpZkyFCbuRlu35L4=; b=doD9JdxG+RwG0stWVbtYqYl6rSjZ92s8BviBa7DnX+qgIMUoSifCP/vTA7p07IFl26 r7GUQRjWZqW7tgozHUHkWybc6AXl20VBW7czsMG6fb7DFz1DCawRXjKZWClIh8gMZrxW 46WrChriIgZV3+YabGokGjHs6ChF19N1yBaDRzEwMwJvBRvQWgHj708NZzjEVgF/n9xK RIhAU2Z4HT5lRpI5O5j75CbWFbZrzCPcR3dyl3DacyBQ074zwpn/h+wyL3oZxmJaRi4s EAmXbi/cZF5cqO5hzX0I/K6BBRs85aCi9KkB9ET+Cmxac55govbkcKqk1iSRlBQ4jpqx oPZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=Ir104abqepxSXO+KP6wwRP6XeuKCpZkyFCbuRlu35L4=; b=Vvs4Rq4vysx8AvLWKIKrrfGIuh9rwzqQGTCDClrTVlsMjW2rgBpiXec7cZy2MvdoZ3 RySutkl62mi665YHI84+BieXxfpkY9ukMYwYT04H64Y0Jjt7DiH/3FhzOE7NslMBXsAd 9z3DgoXsJA7qwHJ3LUpQLNzKQJ6EXEgqTIkY95WXwKxW9QQ2us/C2Uf7Vlh4Y4UkCLrF 5Z6SUOLhnuzvXl3RuIEHxYrwt14EwS5jPQ49Joy/Ah9Hd8iqcH+f/jx1CQyBRZ2V0xBf uRvU3+RFaK0Ba2mQnnPI/l3IeAqtOolOgDkcAH9wkCqAQBIG14TwXwNn8dK0sIQwnFg2 CBbA== Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4DsjMW0dTwPdG5/kNL6zFzJ9lqbPxjyLhfdSLJoRX9i7rEa4vB 5TqWisGfz9oBrvmxcr8CoeE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbV56LuzqUyt6cPMy4c6RQRqbXv0eG49bf2xk239OGJ8XqX2h3Wd/GM5A6rd+zN7MAYhNB5mg== X-Received: by 10.31.159.211 with SMTP id i202mr2485vke.3.1510338580594; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:29:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.176.72.205 with SMTP id y13ls3070174uac.17.gmail; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:29:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.31.41.81 with SMTP id p78mr191930vkp.2.1510338579927; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:29:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: sukender1@gmail.com To: lojban Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <38c97c6d-7f22-48da-a55e-c748fbdb830f@googlegroups.com> <89cbea69-a503-4b15-a0bc-975221ca4fa9@googlegroups.com> <8fd6c26a-4d9c-4312-a19a-e2a2de08fa0b@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_16_1587578567.1510338579781" X-Original-Sender: sukender1@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_16_1587578567.1510338579781 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17_1532633379.1510338579781" ------=_Part_17_1532633379.1510338579781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hum, my translations are veeeeery approximate, but that may mean: Seeing the elephant being imprisoned by the hunters... 1. ...he defended him (...da pu bandu le xanto) 2. ...he took his tusk (...da pu lebna lo bacyde'i po'e le xanto) Because "prendre la d=C3=A9fense de" is both an expression meaning "to defe= nd",=20 and a way to say "to take (away) the elephant tusk" (~"tooth") Le vendredi 10 novembre 2017 15:35:55 UTC+1, gejyspa a =C3=A9crit : > > >> >> - "Voyant l'=C3=A9l=C3=A9phant prisonnier des braconniers, il prit sa= d=C3=A9fense"=20 >> =3D> Here the word "d=C3=A9fense" has multiple meanings >> >> > I am not a francophone, and Google translate was at best unclear. I'm= =20 > guessing the polysemy here is: > fau lo nu ga'a mi zerkalte lo xanto kei ku mi badgau (lo xanto lo zerkalt= e=20 > se pi'o lo celxa'i mu'a) > vs. > fau lo nu ga'a mi zerkalte lo xanto kei ku mi badgau (lo'i xanto lo nu=20 > cmaze'a lo ka klani)=20 > > (which, if true, means the same polysemy exists in lojban, although I=20 > could have used "...stogau lo ni xanto", I suppose, in the second case.) > > --gejyspa > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_17_1532633379.1510338579781 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hum, my translations are veeeeery approximate, but that ma= y mean:

Seeing the elephant being imprisoned by the= hunters...
1. ...he defended him (...da pu bandu le xanto)
=
2. ...he took his tusk (...da pu lebna lo bacyde'i po'e le xan= to)

Because "prendre la d=C3=A9fense de"= is both an expression=C2=A0meaning "to defend", and a way to say= "to take (away) the elephant tusk" (~"tooth")



Le vendredi 10 novembre 2017 15:35:55 UTC+1,= gejyspa a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

  • "Voyant l'=C3=A9l= =C3=A9phant prisonnier des braconniers, il prit sa d=C3=A9fense" =3D&g= t; Here the word "d=C3=A9fense" has multiple meanings

=C2=A0 I am not a francophone, = and Google translate was at best unclear.=C2=A0 I'm guessing the polyse= my here is:
fau lo nu ga'a mi zerkalte lo xanto kei ku mi bad= gau (lo xanto lo zerkalte se pi'o lo celxa'i mu'a)
vs= .
fau lo nu ga'a mi zerkalte lo xanto kei ku mi badgau (lo= 9;i xanto lo nu cmaze'a lo ka klani)=C2=A0

=C2= =A0(which, if true, means the same polysemy exists in lojban, although I co= uld have used "...stogau lo ni xanto",=C2=A0 I suppose, in the se= cond case.)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0--gejyspa

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