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Any idea about what I can= =20 write to improve the thing, being at the same time "simple enough",=20 accurate, and avoid comparison with English? Thanks! Le lundi 13 novembre 2017 13:05:11 UTC+1, Gleki Arxokuna a =C3=A9crit : > > > > 2017-11-13 13:44 GMT+03:00 >: > >> Please provide any critics, on the form and substance. >> > > You are saying that Lojban has "Non-ambiguous grammar" and "Formal=20 > grammar". These can be reduced to "Lojban grammar is prescriptive, the=20 > grammar of English is descriptive, which opens a road to any cheating in= =20 > comparison of those two languages" > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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Er, well... here I was trying to tell both about non-ambig= uity and the fact that the grammar is not 100% formal, as you told. Any ide= a about what I can write to improve the thing, being at the same time "= ;simple enough", accurate, and avoid comparison with English? Thanks!<= div>


Le lundi 13 novembre 2017 13:05:11 UTC+1, Gleki Arxok= una a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:


2017-11-13 13:44 GMT+03:0= 0 <suke...@gmail.com>:
Please provide any c= ritics, on the form and substance.

<= div>You are saying that Lojban has "Non-ambiguous grammar" and &q= uot;Formal grammar". These can be reduced to "Lojban grammar is p= rescriptive, the grammar of English is descriptive, which opens a road to a= ny cheating in comparison of those two languages"

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