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Which subgroups= ,=20 > actually? > ki'e > > la .sykyndyr. > > The earliest subgroup of Group 3 is supporters of Zasni Gerna of Xorxes: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/zasni_gerna The second wave should be supporters of Solpahi's connective sistem: http://selpahi.weebly.com/lojban/how-to-substantially-simplify-the-lojban-c= onnective-system-my-connective-system The third wave should be my Zantufa. It implemented most of both Xorxes's= =20 and Solpahi's, and modified much more the forethought connectives and the= =20 mathematical expressions. https://mw.lojban.org/papri/zantufa_jonma%27o_smuni https://mw.lojban.org/papri/zantufa_mekso Gleki mentioned the function words proposed by Curtis Franks as if they=20 would belong to Group 3, but those modifications should be regarded as a=20 part of the CLL according to the description in Section 4.2 of it: "adding= =20 grammatical mechanisms". There are also many proposals used by people chatting in IRC lojban group,= =20 but most of them seem to be in the category of Section 4.2 of the CLL as=20 well. mi'e la Guskant --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_3348_1767176057.1510851053382 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Le jeudi 16 novembre 2017 16:21:09 UTC, Benoit Nei= l a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
I= 9;ll answer more in detail soon, but in the meantime, can you tell us more = about "Group 3 consist[ing] of some incompatible groups"? Which s= ubgroups, actually?
ki'e

la .sykyndyr.


The earliest subgroup of Group 3 is supporters of Za= sni Gerna of Xorxes:
https://mw.lojban.org/papri/zasni_gerna
<= /div>

The second wave should be supporters of Solpahi= 9;s connective sistem:
http://selpahi.weebly.com/lojban/how-to-su= bstantially-simplify-the-lojban-connective-system-my-connective-system
<= /div>

The third wave should be my Zantufa. It implemente= d most of both Xorxes's and Solpahi's, and modified much more the f= orethought connectives and the mathematical expressions.
https://= mw.lojban.org/papri/zantufa_jonma%27o_smuni
https://mw.lojban= .org/papri/zantufa_mekso

Gleki mentioned the f= unction words proposed by Curtis Franks as if they would belong to Group 3,= but those modifications should be regarded as a part of the CLL according = to the description in Section 4.2 of it: "adding grammatical mechanism= s".

There are also m= any proposals used by people chatting in IRC lojban group, but most of them= seem to be in the category of Section 4.2 of the CLL as well.

mi'e la Guskant

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