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From: Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:18:59 +0100
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban
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Let me say it again (since it seems that my comments usually don't get any
form of reply).

The key point is that we have tons of people DISCUSSING ABOUT the language
and very few people actually USING it.

What is worse is that the migration to MediaWiki broke most of the links to
existing material (e.g. this is one of my translations, try to link on the
PDF file! https://mw.lojban.org/papri/File:lenumakfaprami.pdf ), probably
discouraging people to contribute with more material.

The only way, to me, to make the language evolve is to actually doing
something with it. The key points, imho, that make Lojban and should never
be abandonded are:

 - Statement as relation (as opposed to Subject/Verb/objects)
 - Formal grammar to resolve any parsing ambiguity (I really welcomed
moving to PEG).

mu'e mi'e la .remod.


On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:26 PM, <sukender1@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>>>    1. Anyone authenticated (= registered somewhere) can create a draft
>>>    and discuss about existing ones.
>>>
>>>
>> You can. Just fork the repo or clone it etc.
>>
>
> Oh, yes you're right. Indeed. That was in the theoretical situation where
> we would have only one repository, one web site, one board, one (etc.)... !
>
>
>
>>
>>>    1. Once the draft seems okay enough, anyone authenticated can flag
>>>    it as "okay, let's call the experts to review this".
>>>    2. Only "experts" (to be defined, I guess) can "validate" the
>>>    proposal.
>>>
>>>
>> Those "experts" are exactly people to blame for the destruction of
>> Lojban. They already did such thing in past alienating other members and
>> preventing new people to learn the language.
>>
>
> Crap! And what if "experts" are designated by the community? Or maybe some
> kind of algorithm checking the "merit" of the user by scanning cor
> contributions and posted messages? Well, that last idea may be cumbersome,
> but...
>
> Thanks again for bringing clarifications, Gleki.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Let me say it again (since i=
t seems that my comments usually don&#39;t get any form of reply).<br><br><=
/div>The key point is that we have tons of people DISCUSSING ABOUT the lang=
uage and very few people actually USING it.<br><br></div>What is worse is t=
hat the migration to MediaWiki broke most of the links to existing material=
 (e.g. this is one of my translations, try to link on the PDF file! <a href=
=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/File:lenumakfaprami.pdf">https://mw.lojban.=
org/papri/File:lenumakfaprami.pdf</a> ), probably discouraging people to co=
ntribute with more material.<br><br></div>The only way, to me, to make the =
language evolve is to actually doing something with it. The key points, imh=
o, that make Lojban and should never be abandonded are:<br><br></div>=C2=A0=
- Statement as relation (as opposed to Subject/Verb/objects)<br></div>=C2=
=A0- Formal grammar to resolve any parsing ambiguity (I really welcomed mov=
ing to PEG).<br><br></div>mu&#39;e mi&#39;e la .remod.<br><div><div><div><d=
iv><div><div><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue,=
 Nov 21, 2017 at 3:26 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sukender=
1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sukender1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><o=
l><li>Anyone authenticated (=3D registered somewhere) can create a draft an=
d discuss about existing ones.</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>You can. Just fork the repo or clone it etc.</div><div></div></di=
v></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oh, yes you&#39;re right. Indeed. =
That was in the theoretical situation where we would have only one reposito=
ry, one web site, one board, one (etc.)... !</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-l=
eft:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v><ol><li>Once the draft seems okay enough, anyone authenticated can flag i=
t as &quot;okay, let&#39;s call the experts to review this&quot;.</li><li>O=
nly &quot;experts&quot; (to be defined, I guess) can &quot;validate&quot; t=
he proposal.</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Those &q=
uot;experts&quot; are exactly people to blame for the destruction of Lojban=
. They already did such thing in past alienating other members and preventi=
ng new people to learn the language.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>Crap! And what if &quot;experts&quot; are designated by the com=
munity? Or maybe some kind of algorithm checking the &quot;merit&quot; of t=
he user by scanning cor contributions and posted messages? Well, that last =
idea may be cumbersome, but...</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again for br=
inging clarifications, Gleki.</div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=
=3D"#888888">

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