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From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:30:34 +0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban
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2017-11-21 18:18 GMT+03:00 Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>:

> Let me say it again (since it seems that my comments usually don't get any
> form of reply).
>
> The key point is that we have tons of people DISCUSSING ABOUT the language
> and very few people actually USING it.
>
> What is worse is that the migration to MediaWiki broke most of the links
> to existing material (e.g. this is one of my translations, try to link on
> the PDF file! https://mw.lojban.org/papri/File:lenumakfaprami.pdf ),
> probably discouraging people to contribute with more material.
>


Simpy download it and open in some pdf reader. i have no idea why Chrome
doesn't want to render it.


> The only way, to me, to make the language evolve is to actually doing
> something with it. The key points, imho, that make Lojban and should never
> be abandonded are:
>
>  - Statement as relation (as opposed to Subject/Verb/objects)
>  - Formal grammar to resolve any parsing ambiguity (I really welcomed
> moving to PEG).
>

Why did you welcome PEG?


>
> mu'e mi'e la .remod.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:26 PM, <sukender1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>>    1. Anyone authenticated (= registered somewhere) can create a draft
>>>>    and discuss about existing ones.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You can. Just fork the repo or clone it etc.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, yes you're right. Indeed. That was in the theoretical situation where
>> we would have only one repository, one web site, one board, one (etc.)... !
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>    1. Once the draft seems okay enough, anyone authenticated can flag
>>>>    it as "okay, let's call the experts to review this".
>>>>    2. Only "experts" (to be defined, I guess) can "validate" the
>>>>    proposal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Those "experts" are exactly people to blame for the destruction of
>>> Lojban. They already did such thing in past alienating other members and
>>> preventing new people to learn the language.
>>>
>>
>> Crap! And what if "experts" are designated by the community? Or maybe
>> some kind of algorithm checking the "merit" of the user by scanning cor
>> contributions and posted messages? Well, that last idea may be cumbersome,
>> but...
>>
>> Thanks again for bringing clarifications, Gleki.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2017-11-21 18:18 GMT+03:00 Remo Dentato <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:rdentato@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rdentato@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>=
<div><div><div>Let me say it again (since it seems that my comments usually=
 don&#39;t get any form of reply).<br><br></div>The key point is that we ha=
ve tons of people DISCUSSING ABOUT the language and very few people actuall=
y USING it.<br><br></div>What is worse is that the migration to MediaWiki b=
roke most of the links to existing material (e.g. this is one of my transla=
tions, try to link on the PDF file! <a href=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/=
File:lenumakfaprami.pdf" target=3D"_blank">https://mw.lojban.org/papri/<wbr=
>File:lenumakfaprami.pdf</a> ), probably discouraging people to contribute =
with more material.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Simpy download it and open in some pdf reader. i =
have no idea why Chrome doesn&#39;t want to render it.</div><div><br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><br></d=
iv>The only way, to me, to make the language evolve is to actually doing so=
mething with it. The key points, imho, that make Lojban and should never be=
 abandonded are:<br><br></div>=C2=A0- Statement as relation (as opposed to =
Subject/Verb/objects)<br></div>=C2=A0- Formal grammar to resolve any parsin=
g ambiguity (I really welcomed moving to PEG).<br></div></div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div>Why did you welcome PEG?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div>mu&#39;e mi&#39;e la=
 .remod.<br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br><br></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:26 PM,  <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sukender1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">sukender1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><span class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><ol><=
li>Anyone authenticated (=3D registered somewhere) can create a draft and d=
iscuss about existing ones.</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div>You can. Just fork the repo or clone it etc.</div><div></div></div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oh, yes you&#39;re right. Indeed. Tha=
t was in the theoretical situation where we would have only one repository,=
 one web site, one board, one (etc.)... !</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left=
:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><=
ol><li>Once the draft seems okay enough, anyone authenticated can flag it a=
s &quot;okay, let&#39;s call the experts to review this&quot;.</li><li>Only=
 &quot;experts&quot; (to be defined, I guess) can &quot;validate&quot; the =
proposal.</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Those &quot=
;experts&quot; are exactly people to blame for the destruction of Lojban. T=
hey already did such thing in past alienating other members and preventing =
new people to learn the language.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></=
div><div>Crap! And what if &quot;experts&quot; are designated by the commun=
ity? Or maybe some kind of algorithm checking the &quot;merit&quot; of the =
user by scanning cor contributions and posted messages? Well, that last ide=
a may be cumbersome, but...</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again for bring=
ing clarifications, Gleki.</div></div></span><span class=3D"m_6099786199508=
52294HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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