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Once the draft seems okay enough, anyone authenticated can flag >>>> it as "okay, let's call the experts to review this". >>>> 2. Only "experts" (to be defined, I guess) can "validate" the >>>> proposal. >>>> >>>> >>> Those "experts" are exactly people to blame for the destruction of >>> Lojban. They already did such thing in past alienating other members and >>> preventing new people to learn the language. >>> >> >> Crap! And what if "experts" are designated by the community? >> > > The community that is not even able to grasp simple aspects of the grammar? > Hm... good point. Are you absolutely sure the community can't self-organize ? In that case, any better idea to avoid current issues? I mean: 1. Actual "experts" may be lead to an even more cluttered situation. 2. The community is heterogeneous and cannot tell who are to be the "meritant" (worthy) ones. > Or maybe some kind of algorithm checking the "merit" of the user by >> scanning cor contributions and posted messages? Well, that last idea may be >> cumbersome, but... >> > And about this? May we find a set of rules that can roughly "sort" user in a few groups? Maybe that would be imprecise and imperfect, but that may be better than nothing. And about the submission protocol itself, any thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_8840_826612148.1511283714535 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  1. Once th= e draft seems okay enough, anyone authenticated can flag it as "okay, = let's call the experts to review this".
  2. Only "experts= " (to be defined, I guess) can "validate" the proposal.
    3. =

Those "experts"= are exactly people to blame for the destruction of Lojban. They already di= d such thing in past alienating other members and preventing new people to = learn the language.

Crap! And what if "experts" are designated by the community?

The community that is not even ab= le to grasp simple aspects of the grammar?

Hm... good point. Are you absolutely sure the commu= nity can't self-organize ? In that case,=C2=A0any better idea to avoid = current issues? I mean:
  1. Actual "experts" may be= lead to an even more cluttered situation.
  2. The community is heterog= eneous and cannot tell who are to be the "meritant" (worthy) ones= .
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Or maybe some kind of algorithm checking = the "merit" of the user by scanning cor contributions and posted = messages? Well, that last idea may be cumbersome, but...

And about this? Ma= y we find a set of rules that can roughly "sort" user in a few gr= oups? Maybe that would be imprecise and imperfect, but that may be better t= han nothing.

And about the submission protocol its= elf, any thoughts?

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