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From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:10:56 +0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban
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2017-11-21 20:01 GMT+03:00 <sukender1@gmail.com>:

>
>>>>>    1. Once the draft seems okay enough, anyone authenticated can flag
>>>>>    it as "okay, let's call the experts to review this".
>>>>>    2. Only "experts" (to be defined, I guess) can "validate" the
>>>>>    proposal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Those "experts" are exactly people to blame for the destruction of
>>>> Lojban. They already did such thing in past alienating other members and
>>>> preventing new people to learn the language.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Crap! And what if "experts" are designated by the community?
>>>
>>
>> The community that is not even able to grasp simple aspects of the
>> grammar?
>>
>
> Hm... good point. Are you absolutely sure the community can't
> self-organize ?
>

You just witnessed it with your own eyes (PEG issue). It's only you who
must study the subject, not delegate dealing with it to someone else.


In that case, any better idea to avoid current issues? I mean:
>
>    1. Actual "experts" may be lead to an even more cluttered situation.
>    2. The community is heterogeneous and cannot tell who are to be the
>    "meritant" (worthy) ones.
>
>
>
>> Or maybe some kind of algorithm checking the "merit" of the user by
>>> scanning cor contributions and posted messages? Well, that last idea may be
>>> cumbersome, but...
>>>
>>
> And about this? May we find a set of rules that can roughly "sort" user in
> a few groups? Maybe that would be imprecise and imperfect, but that may be
> better than nothing.
>

What are the problems you currently have?


> And about the submission protocol itself, any thoughts?
>
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te">2017-11-21 20:01 GMT+03:00  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:suk=
ender1@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sukender1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><ol><li>Once the draft seems okay enough, anyon=
e authenticated can flag it as &quot;okay, let&#39;s call the experts to re=
view this&quot;.</li><li>Only &quot;experts&quot; (to be defined, I guess) =
can &quot;validate&quot; the proposal.</li></ol></div></div></blockquote><d=
iv><br></div><div>Those &quot;experts&quot; are exactly people to blame for=
 the destruction of Lojban. They already did such thing in past alienating =
other members and preventing new people to learn the language.</div></div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Crap! And what if &quot;expert=
s&quot; are designated by the community?</div></div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>The community that is not even able to grasp simple aspects of th=
e grammar?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>H=
m... good point. Are you absolutely sure the community can&#39;t self-organ=
ize ?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You just witnessed it with your=
 own eyes (PEG issue). It&#39;s only you who must study the subject, not de=
legate dealing with it to someone else.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div> In that case,=C2=A0any better idea to =
avoid current issues? I mean:</div><div><ol><li>Actual &quot;experts&quot; =
may be lead to an even more cluttered situation.</li><li>The community is h=
eterogeneous and cannot tell who are to be the &quot;meritant&quot; (worthy=
) ones.</li></ol></div><span class=3D""><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div> Or maybe some kind of al=
gorithm checking the &quot;merit&quot; of the user by scanning cor contribu=
tions and posted messages? Well, that last idea may be cumbersome, but...</=
div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span=
><div>And about this? May we find a set of rules that can roughly &quot;sor=
t&quot; user in a few groups? Maybe that would be imprecise and imperfect, =
but that may be better than nothing.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
What are the problems you currently have?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div>And about the su=
bmission protocol itself, any thoughts?</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div cla=
ss=3D"h5"><div><br></div>

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