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Are you absolutely sure the community can't >> self-organize ? >> > > You just witnessed it with your own eyes (PEG issue). It's only you who > must study the subject, not delegate dealing with it to someone else. > Sorry I don't understand clearly your answers. Okay I understand you think no self-organization can happen. What do you mean with the second sentence? What must I study, according to you? In that case, any better idea to avoid current issues? I mean: >> >> 1. Actual "experts" may be lead to an even more cluttered situation. >> 2. The community is heterogeneous and cannot tell who are to be the >> "meritant" (worthy) ones. >> >> >> >>> Or maybe some kind of algorithm checking the "merit" of the user by >>>> scanning cor contributions and posted messages? Well, that last idea may be >>>> cumbersome, but... >>>> >>> >> And about this? May we find a set of rules that can roughly "sort" user >> in a few groups? Maybe that would be imprecise and imperfect, but that may >> be better than nothing. >> > > What are the problems you currently have? > The problem is about grabbing points of view on how to define "expert" or "merit" in the topic. You told me we can't rely on current "experts", and that sounds fine to me. Do you have anything to propose, regarding the submission protocol draft I posted? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_5783_814032161.1511296681765 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hm... good point. Are you absolutely sure the community can'= ;t self-organize ?

You just witnessed= it with your own eyes (PEG issue). It's only you who must study the su= bject, not delegate dealing with it to someone else.

Sorry I don't understand clearly your= answers. Okay I understand you think no self-organization can happen. What= do you mean with the second sentence? What must I study, according to you?=


In that case,=C2=A0any better idea to avoid current issues= ? I mean:
  1. Actual "experts" may be lead to an ev= en more cluttered situation.
  2. The community is heterogeneous and can= not tell who are to be the "meritant" (worthy) ones.
=C2=A0
Or maybe some kind of algorithm checking the "meri= t" of the user by scanning cor contributions and posted messages? Well= , that last idea may be cumbersome, but...

And about this? May we fi= nd a set of rules that can roughly "sort" user in a few groups? M= aybe that would be imprecise and imperfect, but that may be better than not= hing.

What are the problems you curre= ntly have?=C2=A0

Th= e problem is about grabbing points of view on how to define "expert&qu= ot; or "merit" in the topic. You told me we can't rely on cur= rent "experts", and that sounds fine to me. Do you have anything = to propose, regarding the submission protocol draft I posted?
Thanks.

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