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[185.67.36.141]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a67si1187499edf.3.2017.11.21.14.21.02 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of greg_g@posteo.net designates 185.67.36.141 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.67.36.141; Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 850FE20E8B for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:21:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3yhKmY0WVmz9rxR; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:21:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban To: lojban@googlegroups.com, sukender1@gmail.com References: <78156dc5-1fb3-4e9d-992c-a8f30facc4fd@googlegroups.com> <963393d6-a9f1-4232-be13-b4ee76eb69e1@googlegroups.com> <7d063690-0550-45d6-9779-3334ac8e17b5@googlegroups.com> <4aefe693-e504-4518-09e5-d82a360c333c@posteo.net> <322158ae-e6ad-49b0-9dba-0dddf71609f1@googlegroups.com> From: Gregorio Guidi Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:20:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <322158ae-e6ad-49b0-9dba-0dddf71609f1@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AE8BB80410FBB0C545CE3633" Content-Language: en-US X-Original-Sender: greg_g@posteo.net X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=sLV4Zvrv; spf=pass (google.com: domain of greg_g@posteo.net designates 185.67.36.141 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=greg_g@posteo.net Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_bar: ---- This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AE8BB80410FBB0C545CE3633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/21/2017 11:04 PM, sukender1@gmail.com wrote: > Le mardi 21 novembre 2017 22:10:24 UTC+1, Gregorio Guidi a =C3=A9crit=C2= =A0: > > On 11/21/2017 03:08 PM, suke...@gmail.com wrote: > > *** > > > > @all: > > Now about submissions to update the CLL... Let's imagine a > second we > > have an unique and active board (say "LLGBPFKCoders", or whatever), > > and adequate tools. What would be an efficient submission protocol? > > Here are two drafts: > > > > [...] > > > > That's even simpler, but removes the ability to make tiny > changes once > > validated. What's your opinion? > > > > The community should be able to send pull requests with proposed > changes > to the CLL. The LLG, as owner of the CLL, should appoint a recognized > member of the community as release manager in charge of the official > repository, with the power to accept/reject patches, set a roadmap > and > make releases (CLL 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, ...). > > Just my 2 cents. > > mi'e la .greg. > > > > What I feel interesting is centralizing stuff within the LLG, which is=20 > the logical (historical?) choice I guess. And the "release manager" is=20 > something surely interesting too. 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On 11/21/2017 11:04 PM, sukender1@gmail.com wrote:
Le mardi 21 novembre 2017 22:10:24 UTC+1, Gregorio Guidi a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
On 11/21/2017 03:08 PM, suke...@gmail.com wrote:
> ***
>
> @all:
> Now about submissions to update the CLL... Let's imagine a second we
> have an unique and active board (say "LLGBPFKCoders", or whatever),
> and adequate tools. What would be an efficient submission protocol?
> Here are two drafts:
>
> [...]
>
> That's even simpler, but removes the ability to make tiny changes once
> validated. What's your opinion?
>

The community should be able to send pull requests with proposed changes
to the CLL. The LLG, as owner of the CLL, should appoint a recognized
member of the community as release manager in charge of the official
repository, with the power to accept/reject patches, set a roadmap and
make releases (CLL 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, ...).

Just my 2 cents.

mi'e la .greg.


What I feel interesting is centralizing stuff within the LLG, which is the logical (historical?) choice I guess. And the "release manager" is something surely interesting too.
I find it inevitable since the CLL is "their" book, strictly speaking.

But I fear this proposal would turn into another dead-end.=C2=A0We may end with someone inactive, or which blocks anything, as currently.
Indeed, that is possible. My reasoning is that if it comes to that, then there is nothing left to be saved anyway. The only possibility in this case would be to have an independent fork gain enough momentum and community support to replace the LLG version in authoritativeness, but I find this scenario extremely unlikely.

I'm thinking about giving more decisions to the community, but as Gleki pointed out, most may just be unable to make a choice. I will integrate your ideas in my text proposal.
Thanks.
Thanks for all your efforts!

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