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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t37si1321036wrc.3.2017.11.22.03.57.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a; Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id y82so13390075wmg.1 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.28.5.201 with SMTP id 192mr4048939wmf.142.1511351821287; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:57:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.136.149 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:57:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <78156dc5-1fb3-4e9d-992c-a8f30facc4fd@googlegroups.com> <963393d6-a9f1-4232-be13-b4ee76eb69e1@googlegroups.com> <7d063690-0550-45d6-9779-3334ac8e17b5@googlegroups.com> <85ecf653-49c8-457c-8397-d80fc0c3a8ea@googlegroups.com> From: Remo Dentato Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:57:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban To: lojban Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1143816e7047df055e910487" X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=KUeCSpfg; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rdentato@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- --001a1143816e7047df055e910487 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Since people here are also interested in learnability of Lojban by humans > this proposed change of grammar makes it potentially much harder. Who would > remember that the rule for lujvo comes after cmavo (or maybe vice versa?). > CFG doesn't have this problem. > > I see what you mean but, personally, I never thought that PEG (or CFG) are suitable to be learned by humans, and I believe they should not be used to teach Lojban to humans. For me, the formal grammar is meant for machines and for tools creators; in this respect I find PEG to be clearer and easier to use that CFG. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a1143816e7047df055e910487 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On W= ed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com> wrote:
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=C2=A0Since pe= ople here are also interested in learnability of Lojban by humans this prop= osed change of grammar makes it potentially much harder. Who would remember= that the rule for lujvo comes after cmavo (or maybe vice versa?). CFG does= n't have this problem.
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I see what you mean but, personally, I never=C2=A0 thought th= at PEG (or CFG) are suitable to be learned by humans, and I believe they sh= ould not be used to teach Lojban to humans.

For me= , the formal grammar is meant for machines and for tools creators; in this = respect I find PEG to be clearer and easier to use that CFG.

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