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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban
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>
> For me, the formal grammar is meant for machines and for tools creators; 
>> in this respect I find PEG to be clearer and easier to use that CFG.
>>
>
> That's beside the point of this discussion. la .sykyndyr. proposed relying 
> on the opinion of people who don't understand the subject.
>

Hm, let me add precisions:

   - My proposition is to make users (= "anyone registered") give rights to 
   the ones they define as "experts". Users don't give their vote on 
   submissions. This is indirect.
      - This is "the least bad" way to define experts for now. Current 
      definition is worse. Algorithms I told about are worse.
      - This system is not meant to be perfect. This system is meant to be 
      feasible. And any improvements are welcome, of course.
      - This system may surely evolve and/or be replaced later on.
   - The "experts" (as defined) would then have the responsibility of 
   saying either "Yes, I can tackle this submission" (and vote) or "No, I 
   can't" (and abstain).
   - I rely on probability and statistics to ensure the system is stable 
   and robust enough. So yes, the less users, the more unstable.


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margi=
n-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>For me, th=
e formal grammar is meant for machines and for tools creators; in this resp=
ect I find PEG to be clearer and easier to use that CFG.</div></div></div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s beside the point of this d=
iscussion. la .sykyndyr. proposed relying on the opinion of people who don&=
#39;t understand the subject.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>Hm, let me add precisions:</div><div><ul><li>My proposition is t=
o make users (=3D &quot;anyone registered&quot;) give rights to the ones th=
ey define as &quot;experts&quot;. Users don&#39;t give their vote on submis=
sions. This is indirect.</li><ul><li>This is &quot;the least bad&quot; way =
to define experts for now. Current definition is worse. Algorithms I told a=
bout are worse.</li><li>This system is not meant to be perfect. This system=
 is meant to be feasible. And any improvements are welcome, of course.</li>=
<li>This system may surely evolve and/or be replaced later on.</li></ul><li=
>The &quot;experts&quot; (as defined) would then have the responsibility of=
 saying either &quot;Yes, I can tackle this submission&quot; (and vote) or =
&quot;No, I can&#39;t&quot; (and abstain).<br></li><li>I rely on probabilit=
y and statistics to ensure the system is stable and robust enough. So yes, =
the less users, the more unstable.</li></ul><div><br></div></div></div>

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