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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i8si1286467lfl.3.2017.11.22.05.45.13 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::244 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::244; Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id u83so10513015wmb.5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.80.177.153 with SMTP id m25mr29923031edd.181.1511358313211; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:45:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.173.219 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:44:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <84e8285a-b8f3-4665-a9fd-9cde31816952@googlegroups.com> References: <78156dc5-1fb3-4e9d-992c-a8f30facc4fd@googlegroups.com> <963393d6-a9f1-4232-be13-b4ee76eb69e1@googlegroups.com> <7d063690-0550-45d6-9779-3334ac8e17b5@googlegroups.com> <85ecf653-49c8-457c-8397-d80fc0c3a8ea@googlegroups.com> <84e8285a-b8f3-4665-a9fd-9cde31816952@googlegroups.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:44:32 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045c228e632e14055e9287f4" X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sLkfkRhv; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_bar: - --f403045c228e632e14055e9287f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 2017-11-22 16:19 GMT+03:00 : > For me, the formal grammar is meant for machines and for tools creators; >>> in this respect I find PEG to be clearer and easier to use that CFG. >>> >> >> That's beside the point of this discussion. la .sykyndyr. proposed >> relying on the opinion of people who don't understand the subject. >> > > Hm, let me add precisions: > > - My proposition is to make users (= "anyone registered") give rights > to the ones they define as "experts". Users don't give their vote on > submissions. This is indirect. > - This is "the least bad" way to define experts for now. Current > definition is worse. Algorithms I told about are worse. > - This system is not meant to be perfect. This system is meant to > be feasible. And any improvements are welcome, of course. > - This system may surely evolve and/or be replaced later on. > - The "experts" (as defined) would then have the responsibility of > saying either "Yes, I can tackle this submission" (and vote) or "No, I > can't" (and abstain). > - I rely on probability and statistics > > Then we are in the realm of natural spoken languages, not logical languages. > > - to ensure the system is stable and robust enough. 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2017-11-22 16:19 GMT+03:00 <sukender1@gmail.com>:
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For me, the formal grammar is meant for ma= chines and for tools creators; in this respect I find PEG to be clearer and= easier to use that CFG.

That's beside the point of this discussion. la .sykyndyr. propose= d relying on the opinion of people who don't understand the subject.

Hm, let me add= precisions:
  • My proposition is to make users (=3D "a= nyone registered") give rights to the ones they define as "expert= s". Users don't give their vote on submissions. This is indirect.<= /li>
    • This is "the least bad" way to define experts for now= . Current definition is worse. Algorithms I told about are worse.
    • T= his system is not meant to be perfect. This system is meant to be feasible.= And any improvements are welcome, of course.
    • This system may surel= y evolve and/or be replaced later on.
  • The "experts" = (as defined) would then have the responsibility of saying either "Yes,= I can tackle this submission" (and vote) or "No, I can't&quo= t; (and abstain).
  • I rely on probability and statistics

Then we are in the realm of n= atural spoken languages, not logical languages.
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  • to ensure the syst= em is stable and robust enough. So yes, the less users, the more unstable.<= /li>

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