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Then we are in the realm of natural spo= ken languages, not logical languages.

I'm afraid I have to disagree. Indeed, I= 9;m not tackling any language aspect, but organizational aspects only. Orga= nizational aspects are (unfortunately) fuzzy because they rely on people= 9;s will and reactions.
BTW, you're certainly right about mak= ing sure the distinction between the two is clear.

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