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Subject: [lojban] Re: identity and general semantics
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For an extensive review of general semantics, se http://xenodochy.org/gs/


On Friday, June 14, 1991 at 12:43:00 AM UTC-4, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
>
> 1.general semantics is an approach, and not a well accepted one (Martin 
> Gardner
> has torn it to shreds, I believe).  We did not and will not embed it as
> a mandatory underpinning of Lojban.  There is room in the language for 
> different theories of language and identity.  You are not obligated to use 
> 'du'
> and unlike English 'is', you can avoid its use, if your beliefs forbid it.
>
> 2. When we talk about identity assertions we are not really talking about 
> the
> same thing general semantics does anyway.  We are saying that two names
> descriptions or whatever have the same referent.  I certainly have the 
> right
> to call you eric now, and then in the next sentence just say "you".  It is
> a kind of identity sentence to say that "do" and "la erik." are the same 
> referent, and that you can substitute one for the other in any sentence
> within th ediscourse and it does not change the sentence.  We make no claim
> however that the you who reads this sentence is the same you as the one 
> who 
> read the first sentence of this posting.  Frankly, I don't care, so long as
> something that answers to eric and has the appropriate memories and
> understandings to know what I am talking about, reads this, and believes
> that heis/you are being addressed.
>
> In short, g.s. is for philosophers, not for me.
>
> lojbab
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">For an extensive review of general semantics, se http://xe=
nodochy.org/gs/<br><br><br>On Friday, June 14, 1991 at 12:43:00 AM UTC-4, B=
ob LeChevalier wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;m=
argin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">1.general=
 semantics is an approach, and not a well accepted one (Martin Gardner<br>h=
as torn it to shreds, I believe). =C2=A0We did not and will not embed it as=
<br>a mandatory underpinning of Lojban. =C2=A0There is room in the language=
 for <br>different theories of language and identity. =C2=A0You are not obl=
igated to use &#39;du&#39;<br>and unlike English &#39;is&#39;, you can avoi=
d its use, if your beliefs forbid it.<p>2. When we talk about identity asse=
rtions we are not really talking about the<br>same thing general semantics =
does anyway. =C2=A0We are saying that two names<br>descriptions or whatever=
 have the same referent. =C2=A0I certainly have the right<br>to call you er=
ic now, and then in the next sentence just say &quot;you&quot;. =C2=A0It is=
<br>a kind of identity sentence to say that &quot;do&quot; and &quot;la eri=
k.&quot; are the same <br>referent, and that you can substitute one for the=
 other in any sentence<br>within th ediscourse and it does not change the s=
entence. =C2=A0We make no claim<br>however that the you who reads this sent=
ence is the same you as the one who <br>read the first sentence of this pos=
ting. =C2=A0Frankly, I don&#39;t care, so long as<br>something that answers=
 to eric and has the appropriate memories and<br>understandings to know wha=
t I am talking about, reads this, and believes<br>that heis/you are being a=
ddressed.</p><p>In short, g.s. is for philosophers, not for me.</p><p>lojba=
b</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p></blockquote></div>

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