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From: And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:20:28 +0000
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On 26 Nov 2017 16:36, <vpbroman@gmail.com> wrote:


One substantive global kind of change was made.
Among all the uses of "la", there were many cases where it is followed by a
verb phrase, and where the expression is not at all a name, but a
description, for example "la tolvirnu cinfo".
All such non-names got "la" replaced with "le".


That looks a deleterious change, unless post-xorlo "le" has been completely
redefined from what it formerly was. The original "la" captures properly
the English, whereas semitraditional "le" does not at all. (By
"semitraditional" I mean to exclude the habitual solecistic misuse that
prevailed in early Lojban writing, where "le" was used as the default
gadri, with sillinesses such as "le nu".)

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On 26 Nov 2017 16:36,  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vpbroman@gmail.com">=
vpbroman@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=
=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>One substantive global kind of change was made=
.<br>Among all the uses of &quot;la&quot;, there were many cases where it i=
s followed by a verb phrase, and where the expression is not at all a name,=
 but a description, for example &quot;la tolvirnu cinfo&quot;.<br>All such =
non-names got &quot;la&quot; replaced with &quot;le&quot;.<br></div></block=
quote></div></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">That looks a deleterious change, unless post-xorlo &=
quot;le&quot; has been completely redefined from what it formerly was. The =
original &quot;la&quot; captures properly the English, whereas semitraditio=
nal &quot;le&quot; does not at all. (By &quot;semitraditional&quot; I mean =
to exclude the habitual solecistic misuse that prevailed in early Lojban wr=
iting, where &quot;le&quot; was used as the default gadri, with sillinesses=
 such as &quot;le nu&quot;.)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">--And.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></blockqu=
ote></div></div></div></div>

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