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From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 15:11:51 +0300
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2017-12-03 13:49 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On 2 Dec 2017 17:26, <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Em s=C3=A1bado, 2 de dezembro de 2017 18:33:56 UTC+3, And Rosta escreveu:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> When rendering these sorts of unarbitrary name into Lojban, a vacillatio=
n
>> between "lo" and "la" would be understandable, tho I myself would be
>> inclined pretty much to treat English capitalization as the criterion fo=
r
>> using "la" in place of "lo". I suppose it stands to reason that if "lo" =
may
>> be used with unarbitrary names then so may "le". In my earlier messages =
I
>> had said that "le" seems unsuitable for rendering "the" in the main, but
>> that presupposes a certain understanding of "le", the logical form of wh=
ich
>> makes it pretty much equivalent to "a certain", whereas I suppose that C=
LL
>> could be interpreted in a way that makes it more consistent with "the", =
tho
>> in that case I would struggle to see how it differs from xorlo "lo" (whi=
ch
>> probably explains why xorlovian apologists favour jettisoning all gadri =
but
>> "lo" and "la").
>>
>
> Didn't you miss the `` The last descriptor of this section is =E2=80=9Cla=
=E2=80=9D, which
> indicates that the selbri which follows it has been dissociated from its
> normal meaning and is being used as a name. Like =E2=80=9Cle=E2=80=9D des=
criptions, =E2=80=9Cla=E2=80=9D
> descriptions are implicitly restricted to those I have in mind. ''
> part quoted by la bremenli?
>
>
> I didn't miss it. CLL is mostly an informal attempt to describe technical
> linguistic notions succinctly to laypeople, so as with most forms of
> communication, but not necessarily the codification of rules and laws, it
> is necessary to read it in the context of what one presumes the author wa=
s
> intending to communicate.
>

Then what does this quote mean? Nothing and should be ignored according to
you?


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2017-12-03 13:49 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:and.rosta@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">and.rosta@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On 2 Dec=
 2017 17:26,  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"></=
span><blockquote class=3D"m_1606407359589677187quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span c=
lass=3D""><br><br>Em s=C3=A1bado, 2 de dezembro de 2017 18:33:56 UTC+3, And=
 Rosta  escreveu:</span><span class=3D""><div class=3D"m_160640735958967718=
7elided-text"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-le=
ft:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><di=
v><br><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">When rendering these sorts of unarbitrary name into Lojban, a vacill=
ation between &quot;lo&quot; and &quot;la&quot; would be understandable, th=
o I myself would be inclined pretty much to treat English capitalization as=
 the criterion for using &quot;la&quot; in place of &quot;lo&quot;. I suppo=
se it stands to reason that if &quot;lo&quot; may be used with unarbitrary =
names then so may &quot;le&quot;. In my earlier messages I had said that &q=
uot;le&quot; seems unsuitable for rendering &quot;the&quot; in the main, bu=
t that presupposes a certain understanding of &quot;le&quot;, the logical f=
orm of which makes it pretty much equivalent to &quot;a certain&quot;, wher=
eas I suppose that CLL could be interpreted in a way that makes it more con=
sistent with &quot;the&quot;, tho in that case I would struggle to see how =
it differs from xorlo &quot;lo&quot; (which probably explains why xorlovian=
 apologists favour jettisoning all gadri but &quot;lo&quot; and &quot;la&qu=
ot;).</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Didn&#39;t you miss=
 the `` The last descriptor of this section is =E2=80=9Cla=E2=80=9D, which =
indicates that the selbri which follows it has been dissociated from its no=
rmal meaning and is being used as a name. Like =E2=80=9Cle=E2=80=9D descrip=
tions, =E2=80=9Cla=E2=80=9D descriptions are implicitly restricted to those=
 I have in mind. &#39;&#39;</div><div>part quoted by la bremenli?</div></sp=
an></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">I didn&#39;t miss it. CLL is mostly an informal attempt to descr=
ibe technical linguistic notions succinctly to laypeople, so as with most f=
orms of communication, but not necessarily the codification of rules and la=
ws, it is necessary to read it in the context of what one presumes the auth=
or was intending to communicate.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v>Then what does this quote mean? Nothing and should be ignored according t=
o you?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">--And</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"></div></font></span></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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