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And in general most errors come from insufficient knowledge of vocabulary. This error is also relevant to raising, which is dealt with in CLL. > I understand that the reason for the distinction between "lo prami" and > "zo prami" is to avoid precisely this kind of problem, but is it working? > > stevo > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#CAHiXx=OjsDpwgofWwTWj4p0WbyFUamNmTsTUTOzqs1Aa=C=mnw@mail.gmail.com_m_-8403255904962934270_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_7870_1413271195.1517146371143 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Em domingo, 28 de janeiro de 2018 14:26:51 UTC+3, = stevo escreveu:
Do speakers of Lojban c= ommit use-mention errors?

From = my experience newcomers quickly stop making them once they learn what {lo} = and {zo} mean and learn type signatures of verbs.
And in gene= ral most errors come from insufficient knowledge of vocabulary.
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This error is also relevant to raising, which is dealt w= ith in CLL.

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I understand that the reason for the distinction between &= quot;lo prami" and "zo prami" is to avoid precisely this kin= d of problem, but is it working?=C2=A0

3D"" Virus-free. www.avast= .com

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