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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 17:19:40 -0600
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I just watched Daniel Dennett's video on reverse-engineering religion, and
he mentions use-mention errors a lot toward the end of it. I knew that "zo"
was meant to avoid this problem, and I was curious how well it works.

According to gleki (talking about only fluent speakers on IRC), it works
pretty well.
According to John (talking more generally), maybe it hasn't seen its full
potential.

stevo

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
wrote:

>    AFAIK, I never commit use-mention errors in lojban.  Where have you
> seen otherwise?
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 6:26 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do speakers of Lojban commit use-mention errors? I understand that the
>> reason for the distinction between "lo prami" and "zo prami" is to avoid
>> precisely this kind of problem, but is it working?
>>
>> stevo
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">I just watched Daniel Dennett&#39;s video on reverse-enginee=
ring religion, and he mentions use-mention errors a lot toward the end of i=
t. I knew that &quot;zo&quot; was meant to avoid this problem, and I was cu=
rious how well it works.=C2=A0<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
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t" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">According to gleki (talking =
about only fluent speakers on IRC), it works pretty well.=C2=A0</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">Accordin=
g to John (talking more generally), maybe it hasn&#39;t seen its full poten=
tial.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
courier new,monospace">stevo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
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<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0AFAIK, I never commit use-mention er=
rors in lojban.=C2=A0 Where have you seen otherwise?</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Sun, Jan=
 28, 2018 at 6:26 AM, MorphemeAddict <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
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iv dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier ne=
w,monospace">Do speakers of Lojban commit use-mention errors? I understand =
that the reason for the distinction between &quot;lo prami&quot; and &quot;=
zo prami&quot; is to avoid precisely this kind of problem, but is it workin=
g?=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new=
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