Received: from mail-vk0-f57.google.com ([209.85.213.57]:46773) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1egivi-0001l5-TB for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:19:24 -0800 Received: by mail-vk0-f57.google.com with SMTP id l205sf8276369vke.13 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:19:22 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; t=1517368756; cv=pass; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=yD18FsVb43CtqE3fQ9DNEbzwUcicpFDikQzuh0MRLx2tvdh/GwPX6rYv9FU0XS2ep1 oeGvUwgmfHBDEVtUAUK5hI5yx+hXCQhpaSpGm9nHkqRScIhKFPabQlr8uDZhQ7xXACcB SIUfCaRejEZjCzBIOkQjCvcpt5tPJqlxmYNHfW/6WZ4Q6aW/SY8VAXXwYqvBB30KJTpE kTMaahT4PWBZ41p8mJT8CYMseGchwZ+t/ka6PB4KeTL0bw1Ju8t6tD0fV4n94MJm/ygs I36CZdme+8r9HqGjYK9LnTIY2BRs7T5GjZE/2Xv6NbP993Mzr690e+VPR/ViFzihbuZ+ qWNQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post :list-id:mailing-list:precedence:reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:date:subject:to:from :arc-authentication-results:arc-message-signature:sender :dkim-signature:arc-authentication-results; bh=KAwetq3l+u3xykA8W0FH1b18J6Z2OmQRUDX91jyq7sk=; b=uKAdG9Ozrl1NsuoPZfk5BZVTNZq7UdNFPl2DhuuzArxFgbXwAPpbbeKQZoj0FrVN3X mf/74qXSAeX25o+wmplRJ6P8Ygok+HG1z09CiIlkfespFqNAKA/A96ccs9SgKG6QgDJL 1bjs14q234fIJPEtHZzwQBGHAeRS5MPS6zSb3C70HI2+qLG7522vIGJFfTKNB8rBxhFN nrMtbfqMH1qZS4buUs++tFSJwwkalCZA2pen5YHzedVg0FnLz0YTH/nivVPIvrhSfUIx XLtbDGHx1WSZogc2Jx7LHikgtJEIqpb/WoWCDdwAP+0GdUMkFsEfvxWG6V5Ivg3jmkMC RagQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=KAwetq3l+u3xykA8W0FH1b18J6Z2OmQRUDX91jyq7sk=; b=QTbAip/VjkHy30/JYp60R7Ov9sRFKs+RXBtl6y/A1wDr/Oa8u1WLtvlD20ouc7hAwR HCL8aYY/Pwpeh87T5BQofE9iXJ1JPOY1fmG7pyJ/Q5PRllhxZWBuFT9WabVdrouHoSeh DVSozf+njH16Xbj6k4KMoA5bcyngyd4zgrwDGj6iI021JY37dHfjO5KLw8gg/OPhdJtO 8g0c7DLLw1c+WNaudxJxFYkH9kp8UMQ+2FrHoyXnwr0njvWDIkgLES0i2t8uPyy/3vl8 lIN1GIucVg4PZxO+vL7rrzoB8bl6hUg8bFildydL2mOjX1gbzYYLfiVmxn5DqQE8LOPz OALA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=KAwetq3l+u3xykA8W0FH1b18J6Z2OmQRUDX91jyq7sk=; b=HDposRNFDasee14mG4cYQdzFtZWxEGWDhHbgP2SLiOXcD/JfaTZnoVyydY6yyUzvbc 39DHBr2BmZB96Y/moNccT/cgwhnYscnqIRYnF5jvmo5jvCcbxXhUrhtaW6duFNblRsDa 0zUiBcDrmYWYQNGbh+OKvReVUfoc40DXPGAZyFQIWsxfMtJDgNTaBQaVhbhqb5AsgwAM LvmIpt0Q/h/pXA8xkBJOtlg66kPuxlBskWJjcnPhQoYtIoAFgqDVuPr9eCqHmtqKNePK viSacth5D/YCsRV7NXNIUQIsnfwdNY5lUKoW35MYK7ZDuqoTLrFz3PG5ojKzSj2ynJx6 U4xA== Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytelAopaezQ0WCN9m6KOj03+vc4Y/Jx0dlVpzNhLWM606v8QW+S3 D0CDojoqDJUESU1CfNawOhg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227BdZql+0FkI25z6Pmh/jq4/eSq4pZV+PL8DxSeawfLT8ITvflPHFvMdXrjjqHt3+2agHM9tQ== X-Received: by 10.31.49.86 with SMTP id x83mr3093158vkx.0.1517368756279; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:19:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.200.8.112 with SMTP id x45ls2622840qth.0.gmail; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:19:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.233.216.65 with SMTP id u62mr9369721qkf.52.1517368755764; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:19:15 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1517368755; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=FeMqp6Dua1g6u0FNpPWhJHh7uhZumVAG8ylKR2blzAArdLyFC3ahsA6jFpzWcaa1b0 hs6E11MDrRT78VsXIf4wnogCPbZCYL1scWDVCvI9GaTB2MTJMefBe7iy/r7qqk2zZqrV Ac/aeHo2oVwgOwYdwVOPsqaE8dzcqPjU9ILNR7zaJWJASLE6di7+PckQuiGfwVTHF/Sq 1JqfyGFL+Lpjz3qRcghqO+bhCqXEDmwQJE1FHZP45bc5L4GyXqSwLzPmG6MzxVR0JDao CiO1eoDz2BhVax/POO7sJSBhJi1+y5EagNr4jyjPv+KkSWoe7WMcexMp7ROCYjXAq9yi VPng== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:date:subject:to:from:arc-authentication-results; bh=UgW+ygjmiKMV3KAOmw686VbS886mGDIURwOMLxssTbQ=; b=NGEHlILo0TwpqkPNjmAnGumUItosuFKhofVnQd5+QkoRZJwQO/4+q797W7U5krWHKu Ql+wvw7t9AN+Dt16Manboqxm6QTra9IXmMxGozWwO3mpLjhTdZIRiUCrKUNTcCjXTj/g AdG2SB4yUCLkYcmCrQFsZuNg29+qrp6yUHMNtyNgAZqTTpOisZrPcXshc19nS0APgzio +Odi8IXnswgxRD+WtpqhYCKxpcridlnYn84X47DCBb6nt3cIUEtfLb4B4DUyimF0hJqG bnjSwA/7iuBgucbPnmouLKQRi4wF+NvGgKDn2joGvzZG4Cq8P/bUGJpzmA3ROWXtwiij baBg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Received: from marozi.bezitopo.org (bezitopo.org. [45.55.162.231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k77si1191871qke.1.2018.01.30.19.19.15 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) client-ip=45.55.162.231; Received: from bezitopo.org (cpe-174-109-123-133.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.123.133]) by marozi.bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59ABD5FAD8 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 22:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mooncat.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AE44CA5 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 22:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] use-mention errors Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 22:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: <2487189.lB42XsbLJ5@mooncat> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:30:09 PM EST MorphemeAddict wrote: > I looked up all the words in your Lojban, but I can't quite figure out th= e > distinction you're making. "la'e lu li'u" refers to a book or the like whose title is "phrase= ". > The Hebrew in the video was fun to listen to, too. (I don't understand it= , > either.) It sounds to me like an American accent on Ashkenazi pronunciation. My=20 pronunciation is rather different, and I have some trouble understanding=20 Ashkenazi. But I heard "zabne" or some such "zbn" word in a passage relatin= g=20 to buying/selling; that word is Aramaic. "Akum" is a Hebrew acronym meaning= =20 "Worship(er) of Stars and Constellations". Like "avoda" (which is the first= =20 word in the acronym), it begins with ayin, which I pronounce. =D7=9B=D7=A8= =D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=90 are=20 all different as I pronounce them. Pierre --=20 I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.