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[2607:f8b0:400e:c00::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d89si64511pfb.3.2018.01.30.21.37.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Jan 2018 21:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400e:c00::229; Received: by mail-pf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id c6so11527501pfi.8 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 21:37:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.99.54.76 with SMTP id d73mr25576496pga.202.1517377055657; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 21:37:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.189.147 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 21:37:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2487189.lB42XsbLJ5@mooncat> References: <2487189.lB42XsbLJ5@mooncat> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 23:37:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] use-mention errors To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c19300064935705640be02f" X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=EF3DQkgF; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lytlesw@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - --94eb2c19300064935705640be02f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I pronounce those three all the same, but I haven't really studied Hebrew since college in the mid-80s. stevo On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:30:09 PM EST MorphemeAddict wrote: > > I looked up all the words in your Lojban, but I can't quite figure out > the > > distinction you're making. > > "la'e lu li'u" refers to a book or the like whose title is > "phrase". > > > The Hebrew in the video was fun to listen to, too. (I don't understand > it, > > either.) > > It sounds to me like an American accent on Ashkenazi pronunciation. My > pronunciation is rather different, and I have some trouble understanding > Ashkenazi. But I heard "zabne" or some such "zbn" word in a passage > relating > to buying/selling; that word is Aramaic. "Akum" is a Hebrew acronym meani= ng > "Worship(er) of Stars and Constellations". Like "avoda" (which is the fir= st > word in the acronym), it begins with ayin, which I pronounce. =D7=9B=D7= =A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=90 > are > all different as I pronounce them. > > Pierre > -- > I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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I pronounce those three all the same, but I haven't real= ly studied Hebrew since college in the mid-80s.

stevo

On Tue, Jan 30, = 2018 at 9:19 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
=
On Tuesday, January 30, 201= 8 9:30:09 PM EST MorphemeAddict wrote:
> I looked up all the words in your Lojban, but I can't quite figure= out the
> distinction you're making.

"la'e lu <phrase> li'u" refers to a book or = the like whose title is "phrase".

> The Hebrew in the video was fun to listen to, too. (I don't unders= tand it,
> either.)

It sounds to me like an American accent on Ashkenazi pronunciation. = My
pronunciation is rather different, and I have some trouble understanding Ashkenazi. But I heard "zabne" or some such "zbn" word = in a passage relating
to buying/selling; that word is Aramaic. "Akum" is a Hebrew acron= ym meaning
"Worship(er) of Stars and Constellations". Like "avoda"= (which is the first
word in the acronym), it begins with ayin, which I pronounce. =D7=9B=D7=A8= =D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=90 are
all different as I pronounce them.

Pierre
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I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wal= es.

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