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[2a00:1450:4010:c07::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i75si868419wmg.1.2018.01.31.06.15.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Jan 2018 06:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c07::22d; Received: by mail-lf0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id x196so20898832lfd.12 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 06:15:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.25.67.17 with SMTP id q17mr19758848lfa.114.1517408108527; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 06:15:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.196.213 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 06:14:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2487189.lB42XsbLJ5@mooncat> References: <2487189.lB42XsbLJ5@mooncat> From: Michael Turniansky Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 09:14:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] use-mention errors To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045e97544a04610564131b6a" X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=juyD8xfH; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.2 X-Spam_score_int: -21 X-Spam_bar: -- --f403045e97544a04610564131b6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't say Hebrew, I said "Yeshivish" for a reason. Pierre is right. Most of the non-English in that video was Aramaic (with an American-accented Ashkenazi pronunciation). The Talmud is made up of two parts, Mishnah (which is Hebrew, although a later Hebrew than Biblical Hebrew, c. 100 CE), and Gemorah (around 200-400 years later), written in Aramaic (Babylonian dialect). Although of course the Bible is often quoted, in its original Biblical Hebrew. And sprinkled throughout his (mostly English) Yeshivish is Yiddish, such as *vaiter* ("next, going on...") akin to the German *weiter*) or *rabOSai *(gentlemen) from the Hebrew raboTAI , etc. --gejyspa On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:30:09 PM EST MorphemeAddict wrote: > > I looked up all the words in your Lojban, but I can't quite figure out > the > > distinction you're making. > > "la'e lu li'u" refers to a book or the like whose title is > "phrase". > > > The Hebrew in the video was fun to listen to, too. (I don't understand > it, > > either.) > > It sounds to me like an American accent on Ashkenazi pronunciation. My > pronunciation is rather different, and I have some trouble understanding > Ashkenazi. But I heard "zabne" or some such "zbn" word in a passage > relating > to buying/selling; that word is Aramaic. "Akum" is a Hebrew acronym meani= ng > "Worship(er) of Stars and Constellations". Like "avoda" (which is the fir= st > word in the acronym), it begins with ayin, which I pronounce. =D7=9B=D7= =A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=90 > are > all different as I pronounce them. > > Pierre > -- > I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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=C2=A0 I didn't say Hebrew, I said "Yeshivish" for a reason.=C2= =A0 Pierre is right.=C2=A0 Most of the non-English in that video was Aramai= c (with an American-accented Ashkenazi pronunciation).=C2=A0 The Talmud is = made up of two parts, Mishnah (which is Hebrew, although a later Hebrew tha= n Biblical Hebrew, c. 100 CE), and Gemorah (around 200-400 years later), wr= itten in Aramaic (Babylonian dialect).=C2=A0 Although of course the Bible i= s often quoted, in its original Biblical Hebrew.=C2=A0 And sprinkled throug= hout his (mostly English) Yeshivish is Yiddish, such as vaiter (&quo= t;next, going on...") akin to the German weiter) or rabOSai = (gentlemen) from the Hebrew raboTAI , etc.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -= -gejyspa


On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@be= zitopo.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:30:09 PM EST MorphemeAddict wrote:<= br> > I looked up all the words in your Lojban, but I can't quite figure= out the
> distinction you're making.

"la'e lu <phrase> li'u" refers to a book or = the like whose title is "phrase".

> The Hebrew in the video was fun to listen to, too. (I don't unders= tand it,
> either.)

It sounds to me like an American accent on Ashkenazi pronunciation. = My
pronunciation is rather different, and I have some trouble understanding Ashkenazi. But I heard "zabne" or some such "zbn" word = in a passage relating
to buying/selling; that word is Aramaic. "Akum" is a Hebrew acron= ym meaning
"Worship(er) of Stars and Constellations". Like "avoda"= (which is the first
word in the acronym), it begins with ayin, which I pronounce. =D7=9B=D7=A8= =D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=90 are
all different as I pronounce them.

Pierre
--
I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wal= es.

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