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  Oh, yeah, and forgot to add other stuff, like the commentaries on the
Talmud, usually written in medieval Hebrew, such as (most famously) Rashi,
who sometimes throws in Old French for good measure.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:14 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
wrote:

>   I didn't say Hebrew, I said "Yeshivish"
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshivish> for a reason.  Pierre is
> right.  Most of the non-English in that video was Aramaic (with an
> American-accented Ashkenazi pronunciation).  The Talmud is made up of two
> parts, Mishnah (which is Hebrew, although a later Hebrew than Biblical
> Hebrew, c. 100 CE), and Gemorah (around 200-400 years later), written in
> Aramaic (Babylonian dialect).  Although of course the Bible is often
> quoted, in its original Biblical Hebrew.  And sprinkled throughout his
> (mostly English) Yeshivish is Yiddish, such as *vaiter* ("next, going
> on...") akin to the German *weiter*) or *rabOSai *(gentlemen) from the
> Hebrew raboTAI , etc.
>                             --gejyspa
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:30:09 PM EST MorphemeAddict wrote:
>> > I looked up all the words in your Lojban, but I can't quite figure out
>> the
>> > distinction you're making.
>>
>> "la'e lu <phrase> li'u" refers to a book or the like whose title is
>> "phrase".
>>
>> > The Hebrew in the video was fun to listen to, too. (I don't understand
>> it,
>> > either.)
>>
>> It sounds to me like an American accent on Ashkenazi pronunciation. My
>> pronunciation is rather different, and I have some trouble understanding
>> Ashkenazi. But I heard "zabne" or some such "zbn" word in a passage
>> relating
>> to buying/selling; that word is Aramaic. "Akum" is a Hebrew acronym
>> meaning
>> "Worship(er) of Stars and Constellations". Like "avoda" (which is the
>> first
>> word in the acronym), it begins with ayin, which I pronounce. =D7=9B=D7=
=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=90
>> are
>> all different as I pronounce them.
>>
>> Pierre
>> --
>> I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Oh, yeah, and forgot to add other stuff, like the c=
ommentaries on the Talmud, usually written in medieval Hebrew, such as (mos=
t famously) Rashi, who sometimes throws in Old French for good measure.=C2=
=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, =
Jan 31, 2018 at 9:14 AM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=
=A0 I didn&#39;t say Hebrew, I said<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki=
/Yeshivish" target=3D"_blank"> &quot;Yeshivish&quot;</a> for a reason.=C2=
=A0 Pierre is right.=C2=A0 Most of the non-English in that video was Aramai=
c (with an American-accented Ashkenazi pronunciation).=C2=A0 The Talmud is =
made up of two parts, Mishnah (which is Hebrew, although a later Hebrew tha=
n Biblical Hebrew, c. 100 CE), and Gemorah (around 200-400 years later), wr=
itten in Aramaic (Babylonian dialect).=C2=A0 Although of course the Bible i=
s often quoted, in its original Biblical Hebrew.=C2=A0 And sprinkled throug=
hout his (mostly English) Yeshivish is Yiddish, such as <i>vaiter</i> (&quo=
t;next, going on...&quot;) akin to the German <i>weiter</i>) or <i>rabOSai =
</i>(gentlemen) from the Hebrew raboTAI , etc.<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=
-gejyspa</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 30, 2=
018 at 10:19 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@=
bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:30:09 P=
M EST MorphemeAddict wrote:<br>
&gt; I looked up all the words in your Lojban, but I can&#39;t quite figure=
 out the<br>
&gt; distinction you&#39;re making.<br>
<br>
</span>&quot;la&#39;e lu &lt;phrase&gt; li&#39;u&quot; refers to a book or =
the like whose title is &quot;phrase&quot;.<br>
<span><br>
&gt; The Hebrew in the video was fun to listen to, too. (I don&#39;t unders=
tand it,<br>
&gt; either.)<br>
<br>
</span>It sounds to me like an American accent on Ashkenazi pronunciation. =
My<br>
pronunciation is rather different, and I have some trouble understanding<br=
>
Ashkenazi. But I heard &quot;zabne&quot; or some such &quot;zbn&quot; word =
in a passage relating<br>
to buying/selling; that word is Aramaic. &quot;Akum&quot; is a Hebrew acron=
ym meaning<br>
&quot;Worship(er) of Stars and Constellations&quot;. Like &quot;avoda&quot;=
 (which is the first<br>
word in the acronym), it begins with ayin, which I pronounce. =D7=9B=D7=A8=
=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=90 are<br>
all different as I pronounce them.<br>
<span class=3D"m_-1942066918056692970HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
--<br>
I believe in Yellow when I&#39;m in Sweden and in Black when I&#39;m in Wal=
es.<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"m_-1942066918056692970HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_-=
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