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Thanks for the correction.

stevo

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
wrote:

>   I didn't say Hebrew, I said "Yeshivish"
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshivish> for a reason.  Pierre is
> right.  Most of the non-English in that video was Aramaic (with an
> American-accented Ashkenazi pronunciation).  The Talmud is made up of two
> parts, Mishnah (which is Hebrew, although a later Hebrew than Biblical
> Hebrew, c. 100 CE), and Gemorah (around 200-400 years later), written in
> Aramaic (Babylonian dialect).  Although of course the Bible is often
> quoted, in its original Biblical Hebrew.  And sprinkled throughout his
> (mostly English) Yeshivish is Yiddish, such as *vaiter* ("next, going
> on...") akin to the German *weiter*) or *rabOSai *(gentlemen) from the
> Hebrew raboTAI , etc.
>                             --gejyspa
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:30:09 PM EST MorphemeAddict wrote:
>> > I looked up all the words in your Lojban, but I can't quite figure out
>> the
>> > distinction you're making.
>>
>> "la'e lu <phrase> li'u" refers to a book or the like whose title is
>> "phrase".
>>
>> > The Hebrew in the video was fun to listen to, too. (I don't understand
>> it,
>> > either.)
>>
>> It sounds to me like an American accent on Ashkenazi pronunciation. My
>> pronunciation is rather different, and I have some trouble understanding
>> Ashkenazi. But I heard "zabne" or some such "zbn" word in a passage
>> relating
>> to buying/selling; that word is Aramaic. "Akum" is a Hebrew acronym
>> meaning
>> "Worship(er) of Stars and Constellations". Like "avoda" (which is the
>> first
>> word in the acronym), it begins with ayin, which I pronounce. =D7=9B=D7=
=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=90
>> are
>> all different as I pronounce them.
>>
>> Pierre
>> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">Thanks for the correction.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">stevo</div></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 31, =
2018 at 8:14 AM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 I didn=
&#39;t say Hebrew, I said<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshivish=
" target=3D"_blank"> &quot;Yeshivish&quot;</a> for a reason.=C2=A0 Pierre i=
s right.=C2=A0 Most of the non-English in that video was Aramaic (with an A=
merican-accented Ashkenazi pronunciation).=C2=A0 The Talmud is made up of t=
wo parts, Mishnah (which is Hebrew, although a later Hebrew than Biblical H=
ebrew, c. 100 CE), and Gemorah (around 200-400 years later), written in Ara=
maic (Babylonian dialect).=C2=A0 Although of course the Bible is often quot=
ed, in its original Biblical Hebrew.=C2=A0 And sprinkled throughout his (mo=
stly English) Yeshivish is Yiddish, such as <i>vaiter</i> (&quot;next, goin=
g on...&quot;) akin to the German <i>weiter</i>) or <i>rabOSai </i>(gentlem=
en) from the Hebrew raboTAI , etc.<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa</d=
iv><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:=
19 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:30:09 PM EST Morp=
hemeAddict wrote:<br>
&gt; I looked up all the words in your Lojban, but I can&#39;t quite figure=
 out the<br>
&gt; distinction you&#39;re making.<br>
<br>
</span>&quot;la&#39;e lu &lt;phrase&gt; li&#39;u&quot; refers to a book or =
the like whose title is &quot;phrase&quot;.<br>
<span><br>
&gt; The Hebrew in the video was fun to listen to, too. (I don&#39;t unders=
tand it,<br>
&gt; either.)<br>
<br>
</span>It sounds to me like an American accent on Ashkenazi pronunciation. =
My<br>
pronunciation is rather different, and I have some trouble understanding<br=
>
Ashkenazi. But I heard &quot;zabne&quot; or some such &quot;zbn&quot; word =
in a passage relating<br>
to buying/selling; that word is Aramaic. &quot;Akum&quot; is a Hebrew acron=
ym meaning<br>
&quot;Worship(er) of Stars and Constellations&quot;. Like &quot;avoda&quot;=
 (which is the first<br>
word in the acronym), it begins with ayin, which I pronounce. =D7=9B=D7=A8=
=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=A2 =D7=A7=D7=A8=D7=90 are<br>
all different as I pronounce them.<br>
<span class=3D"m_-2881421973307085808HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
--<br>
I believe in Yellow when I&#39;m in Sweden and in Black when I&#39;m in Wal=
es.<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"m_-2881421973307085808HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_-=
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