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Garden pathing:=20
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/18/googles-new-artifici=
al-intelligence-cant-understand-these-sentences-can-you/=20
(and this one=20
<https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/google-hyping-why-deep-learning-cannot-appl=
ied-easily-berkan-ph-d>
)

Neural translation "improvements": Google Translate still translates "sas=
=20
sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas=
=20
sas" from Mongolian into English as "over the years for the rest of the=20
ages."

How the "real" science uses Google=20
Translate: https://transacl.org/ojs/index.php/tacl/article/download/821/174=
=20
(Lojban is one reference away from it)

If you want something more than those popular articles then I can only say=
=20
that Lojban corpus of texts and Lojban itself are not very suitable for=20
established ways of deploying machine transation tools, I'm still=20
experimenting, the high-quality corpus (which is still needed) is slowly=20
growing.


Em domingo, 4 de fevereiro de 2018 12:18:03 UTC+3, Gregorio Guidi escreveu:
>
> The following article might be of interest to the list, it touches upon=
=20
> the limitation of machine translation and the interactions between=20
> computers and language (note that it is a relatively long read):
>
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/01/the-shallowness-of=
-google-translate/551570/#hn?single_page=3Dtrue
>
> The author is Douglas Hofstadter, the author of *G=C3=B6del, Escher, Bach=
*=20
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach>.
>
> Gregorio
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Garden pathing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/w=
p/2016/05/18/googles-new-artificial-intelligence-cant-understand-these-sent=
ences-can-you/ (and <a href=3D"https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/google-hyping=
-why-deep-learning-cannot-applied-easily-berkan-ph-d">this one</a>)<div><br=
><div>Neural translation &quot;improvements&quot;: Google Translate still t=
ranslates &quot;sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas sas=
 sas sas sas sas sas sas&quot; from Mongolian into English as &quot;over th=
e years for the rest of the ages.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>How the &q=
uot;real&quot; science uses Google Translate:=C2=A0https://transacl.org/ojs=
/index.php/tacl/article/download/821/174 (Lojban is one reference away from=
 it)</div><div><br></div><div>If you want something more than those popular=
 articles then I can only say that Lojban corpus of texts and Lojban itself=
 are not very suitable for established ways of deploying machine transation=
 tools, I&#39;m still experimenting, the high-quality corpus (which is stil=
l needed) is slowly growing.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>Em domingo,=
 4 de fevereiro de 2018 12:18:03 UTC+3, Gregorio Guidi  escreveu:<blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: =
1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
 =20

   =20
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <p>The following article might be of interest to the list, it
      touches upon the limitation of machine translation and the
      interactions between computers and language (note that it is a
      relatively long read):</p>
    <p><a href=3D"https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/01/th=
e-shallowness-of-google-translate/551570/#hn?single_page=3Dtrue" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google=
.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Ftechnology%2Farchive%2F20=
18%2F01%2Fthe-shallowness-of-google-translate%2F551570%2F%23hn%3Fsingle_pag=
e%3Dtrue\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNGDP8XImGw4728vDXT2ZeYbxbrQ=
EQ&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/ur=
l?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Ftechnology%2Farchive%2F2018%2F01=
%2Fthe-shallowness-of-google-translate%2F551570%2F%23hn%3Fsingle_page%3Dtru=
e\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNGDP8XImGw4728vDXT2ZeYbxbrQEQ&#39;=
;return true;">https://www.theatlantic.com/<wbr>technology/archive/2018/01/=
<wbr>the-shallowness-of-google-<wbr>translate/551570/#hn?single_<wbr>page=
=3Dtrue</a></p>
    <p>The author is Douglas Hofstadter, the author of <a href=3D"https://e=
n.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nof=
ollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp=
s%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FG%25C3%25B6del%2C_Escher%2C_Bach\x26sa\=
x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEGMa2gWam_qPK1-9NZxGNeyxIyew&#39;;return =
true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A=
%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FG%25C3%25B6del%2C_Escher%2C_Bach\x26sa\x3dD=
\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEGMa2gWam_qPK1-9NZxGNeyxIyew&#39;;return true=
;"><em>G=C3=B6del,
          Escher, Bach</em></a>.</p>
    <p>Gregorio<br>
    </p>
  </div>

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