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gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jake@mail.jerrington.me designates 67.207.92.167 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jake@mail.jerrington.me Received: from mail.jerrington.me ([67.207.92.167]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14si72476oth.5.2018.02.14.09.44.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jake@mail.jerrington.me designates 67.207.92.167 as permitted sender) client-ip=67.207.92.167; Received: from fancu (unknown [142.157.237.248]) by mail.jerrington.me (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0E1331CE31 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:44:58 -0500 From: Jacob Thomas Errington To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Saying "How are you?" Message-ID: <20180214174458.hujogynzvet4a6cy@fancu> References: <08c386f1-8fa9-49b8-9ce4-137c1321ef4d@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <08c386f1-8fa9-49b8-9ce4-137c1321ef4d@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171215 X-Original-Sender: jake@mail.jerrington.me X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jake@mail.jerrington.me designates 67.207.92.167 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jake@mail.jerrington.me Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 04:08:12AM -0800, ketoemail@gmail.com wrote: > I've been engaging in teaching myself Lojban at a rather young age. However, > after flipping through dictionaries, phrasebooks, and some beginner manuals, > I can't seem to figure out how to prompt the question "How are you?" to > someone. Typically, one would say {.i do mo} which is an extremely open-ended question in and of itself. It means something more along the lines of "What's up?" rather than "How are you?". Strictly speaking, {mo} is a placeholder relation. It syntactically behaves like a word like {citka} or {limna}: it's a selbri. There are a lot of other more specific questions you might want to ask, if {.i do mo} is too general. For instance: - {.i ma nuzba (do)} "What's new (with you)?" - {.i do ma cinmo} "What are you feeling?" (Emotionally) > The thing that really baffles me is the use of the word ma. Since ma > functions as who/what/when/where/how (to my knowledge), would it even be > possible to differentiate between "How are you?" and "Who are you?"? {ma} is a placeholder sumti (argument). In the two examples I gave above, it says which part fo the relation I'm asking the question about. Concretely, in {.i do ma cinmo} I'm asking the listener to tell me what sumti should replace {ma}. A strict listener might answer {lo ka fengu} "Anger", since this is a sumti, and it's what I asked for. A less strict listener might just answer {.i mi fengu} "I'm angry", which doesn't exactly answer the question since it's a complete sentence and not just a sumti. Hope that helps! .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- Jacob Thomas Errington W: https://jerrington.me/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.