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Edit: meant "two and two, respectively".

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 10:16:39 PM UTC-4, xabju wrote:
>
> No, and I think that has something to do with the case being comparable t=
o=20
> a medial consonant cluster ([awra]) rather than a final one ([awr]). I al=
so=20
> pronounce *Kyle* and *wire* as two syllables, I think (maybe a full=20
> syllable and a demisyllable?), but *Kylie* and *wiry* as two and three,=
=20
> respectively.
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 21.52.40 EDT xabju wrote:=20
>> > Is it just me, or are syllables with both a closing diphthong and a=20
>> final=20
>> > sonorant (especially a rhotic) hard to pronounce and mildly=20
>> ugly-sounding?=20
>> > I have a hard time pronouncing /=CA=92a=CA=8Ar/ as anything but [=CA=
=92aw=C9=99r], which I=20
>> > guess is okay, since the latter doesn't seem to misparse. Still, I'll=
=20
>> vote=20
>> > against jaurxarju and for tciuiro.=20
>>
>> Do you have the same problem when the /r/ is followed by a vowel, as in=
=20
>> "restaurar"? (Though it's a tap, not a trill, in this word.)=20
>>
>> Pierre=20
>>
>> --=20
>> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.=20
>>
>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Edit: meant &quot;two and two, respectively&quot;.<br><br>=
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 10:16:39 PM UTC-4, xabju wrote:<blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">No, and I think that has some=
thing to do with the case being comparable to a medial consonant cluster ([=
awra]) rather than a final one ([awr]). I also pronounce <i>Kyle</i>=C2=A0a=
nd <i>wire</i>=C2=A0as two syllables, I think (maybe a full syllable and a =
demisyllable?), but <i>Kylie</i>=C2=A0and <i>wiry</i>=C2=A0as two and three=
, respectively.<br><br>On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-4, Pierr=
e Abbat wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-le=
ft:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tuesday, 5 June 20=
18 21.52.40 EDT xabju wrote:
<br>&gt; Is it just me, or are syllables with both a closing diphthong and =
a final
<br>&gt; sonorant (especially a rhotic) hard to pronounce and mildly ugly-s=
ounding?
<br>&gt; I have a hard time pronouncing /=CA=92a=CA=8Ar/ as anything but [=
=CA=92aw=C9=99r], which I
<br>&gt; guess is okay, since the latter doesn&#39;t seem to misparse. Stil=
l, I&#39;ll vote
<br>&gt; against jaurxarju and for tciuiro.
<br>
<br>Do you have the same problem when the /r/ is followed by a vowel, as in=
=20
<br>&quot;restaurar&quot;? (Though it&#39;s a tap, not a trill, in this wor=
d.)
<br>
<br>Pierre
<br>
<br>--=20
<br>Don&#39;t buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.
<br>
<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>

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