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[45.55.162.231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d97-v6si421645ybi.0.2018.06.06.01.15.50 for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2018 01:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) client-ip=45.55.162.231; Received: from bezitopo.org (cpe-174-109-123-133.nc.res.rr.com [174.109.123.133]) by marozi.bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E7F05FB1B for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mooncat.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDA533068 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:15:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: capybara Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 04:15:45 -0400 Message-ID: <2069742.ExbP3YIyvy@mooncat> In-Reply-To: References: <2556701.tfa2tygDYf@mooncat> <3285127.NItpnpZk2R@mooncat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_bar: -- On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22.16.39 EDT xabju wrote: > No, and I think that has something to do with the case being comparable t= o > a medial consonant cluster ([awra]) rather than a final one ([awr]). I al= so > pronounce *Kyle* and *wire* as two syllables, I think (maybe a full > syllable and a demisyllable?), but *Kylie* and *wiry* as two and three, > respectively. Neither "wire" nor "wiry" has [r], which is not common in English.=20 Phonemically "wire" has one syllable, /wai=C9=B9/, but phonetically it has = two,=20 similar to the Hebrew patach gnuvah. In Lojban, I usually pronounce as [r] or [=C9=BE]. Unlike Spanish, ther= e is no=20 distinction between these two between vowels in Lojban, and I normally say= =20 [=C9=BE]. I use the syllabic version of [=C9=B9] when the is syllabic, = except next=20 to (at least in ). If you're using [=C9=B9] for Lojban , try [r= ] or [=C9=BE]=20 instead. Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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