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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 16:42:34 -0400
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On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22.10.04 EDT xabju wrote:
> Hello, all,
>=20
> I'm still a rank beginner at Lojban, but I noticed some lexical gaps and
> got to work filling them today. I've written twenty definitions
> <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/personal/Xabju?extra=3Ddefs> on Jbovlaste so
> far, but they're generally far from perfect. I'm wondering if any of you
> could look them over and help me revise them. I will defer to the experts=
.
>=20
> In particular, I'm concerned I haven't gotten the place structures right.
> At the superficial level, I haven't been sure when to use simple variable=
s
> like "x1", "x2", etc., and when to use compound ones like "m2=3Dz3", etc.
> (Actually, I don't quite have the vocabulary to say what the problems are=
.
> What do you call an "x1" thingy? A variable? A place abbreviation? A slot
> name?) The instructions on the site were not so clear to me. I'm also not
> sure I've gotten the underlying semantics and syntax right for a few.

I wouldn't use "cunso" for what you've called "cunrafsi", as they weren't=
=20
assigned randomly.

For "mudga'a", the glosses "pole" and "staff" don't specify wood. They need=
=20
senses, as "pole" can also mean "jedji'o" (the poles of the Earth) and "sta=
ff"=20
has other meanings, but cylindrical poles and staffs can be metal. Flagpole=
s,=20
which are often metal, can be called staffs. Also, I wouldn't put "tree;=20
plant" as a place keyword, because someone looking for "tree; plant" most=
=20
likely wants "tricu". If a place keyword is likely to be the same for sever=
al=20
words, you probably want to omit it.

"UUTC" I would write "uudj". Several Slavic languages devoice final consona=
nts,=20
but as soon as you add a case ending with a vowel, they're no longer final =
and=20
are voiced. Lojban already conflates "=C5=BC" and "=C5=BA"; there's no need=
 to further=20
conflate them with "sz" and "=C5=9B" just because they're at the end of a w=
ord.

"snitc" needs explanation. Is snitch a disease, a game, or what?

Pierre
--=20
The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.

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