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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 14:56:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Glossing To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000371d3905875f6259" X-Original-Sender: maikxlx@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=V7KLPGiS; spf=pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=maikxlx@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- --000000000000371d3905875f6259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:02 AM Pierre Abbat wrote: > Morphematim (morphematatim?) glossing is used in linguistics to show the > grammatical structure of text in a language. Perhaps it could just as well be shortened to "morphatim", assuming "interlinear" is not clear enough. (For those on the list who were confused like me: I think it's modeled on the adverb "verbatim" and means "morpheme-by-morpheme"). > Content morphemes are glossed in > lowercase (capitalized if they are proper nouns, or any nouns if the > glosses > are in German); function morphemes are glossed in small caps (or all caps > if > you don't have small caps). Here's a simple sentence in Lojban with an > attitudinal phrase. How would you gloss it? > > i lo bicrbombu cu se bevri mi o'adai lo mamta be mi vau > What this little example shows is how much of Lojban defies conventional description. Someone would have come up with special glosses, as the usual list is of little avail. Here, I try to make new glosses by adding -Z (starter/izer) and -T (terminator) to known abbreviations. -Z is standard but -T is my own invention. Usual list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glossing_abbreviations i lo bicrbombu cu se bevri mi o'adai lo mamta be mi vau SENTT DET bee-CLZ-Bombus VPZ INV carry 1 proudly-OBV DET mother INAL 1 VPT Breakdown: morph / gloss (/ gloss translation) * = Not standard, or not common i / *SENT or *SENTT / sentence or sentence-terminator (actually a separator, but "terminator" is close enough) lo / DET or *NPZ / determiner or noun-phrase-izer bic- / bee -r- / *CLZ / classifier-izer (turns previous morpheme into a classifier prefix) -bombu / "Bombus" or bumblebee cu / *VPZ / verb-phrase-izer se / INV / inverse voice bevri / carry mi / 1 or 1SG / 1st person or 1st person singular (pragmatically, probably sg right?) o'a- / proudly -dai / OBV / obviate (don't know what else to call this) lo / DET or *NPZ mamta / mother be / INAL / inalienable possession mi / 1 vau / *VPT / verb-phrase-terminator mi'e .maik. mu'o. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:02 AM Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
Morphematim (morphematatim?) glossing= is used in linguistics to show the
grammatical structure of text in a language.

Perhaps = it could just as well be shortened to "morphatim", assuming "= ;interlinear" is not clear enough.=C2=A0 (For those on the list who we= re confused like me:=C2=A0 I think it's modeled on the adverb "ver= batim" and means "morpheme-by-morpheme").
=C2=A0
Content morphemes are glosse= d in
lowercase (capitalized if they are proper nouns, or any nouns if the glosse= s
are in German); function morphemes are glossed in small caps (or all caps i= f
you don't have small caps). Here's a simple sentence in Lojban with= an
attitudinal phrase. How would you gloss it?

i lo bicrbombu cu se bevri mi o'adai lo mamta be mi vau

What this little example shows is how much of Lojban defies conve= ntional description.=C2=A0 Someone would have come up with special glosses,= as the usual list is of little avail.=C2=A0 Here, I try to make new glosse= s by adding -Z (starter/izer) and -T (terminator) to known abbreviations.= =C2=A0 -Z is standard but -T is my own invention.

Usual list: https://= en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glossing_abbreviations

i lo bicrbo= mbu cu se bevri mi o'adai lo mamta be mi vau
SENTT DET bee-CLZ-Bombu= s VPZ INV carry 1 proudly-OBV DET mother INAL 1 VPT

Breakdown:
morph / gloss (/ gloss translation)
* =3D Not standard, or not common<= br>
i / *SENT or *SENTT / sentence or sentence-terminator (actually a se= parator, but "terminator" is close enough)
lo / DET or *NPZ / = determiner or noun-phrase-izer
bic- / bee
-r- / *CLZ / classifier-ize= r (turns previous morpheme into a classifier prefix)
-bombu / "Bomb= us" or bumblebee
cu / *VPZ / verb-phrase-izer
se / INV / inverse= voice
bevri / carry
mi / 1 or 1SG / 1st person or 1st person singula= r (pragmatically, probably sg right?)
o'a- / proudly
-dai / OBV /= obviate (don't know what else to call this)
lo / DET or *NPZ
mam= ta / mother
be / INAL / inalienable possession
mi / 1
vau / *VPT /= verb-phrase-terminator

=C2=A0
mi'e .maik.
mu'o.
=C2=A0

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