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On 4/25/2019 2:56 PM, Mike S. wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:02 AM Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org=20
> <mailto:phma@bezitopo.org>> wrote:
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>     Morphematim (morphematatim?) glossing is used in linguistics to show
>     the
>     grammatical structure of text in a language.=20
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> Perhaps it could just as well be shortened to "morphatim", assuming=20
> "interlinear" is not clear enough.=C2=A0 (For those on the list who were=
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> confused like me:=C2=A0 I think it's modeled on the adverb "verbatim" and=
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> means "morpheme-by-morpheme").

The term used in linguistics is apparently "Interlinear morphemic=20
glossing"  Google on that and on the first page of hits, you will see=20
the "Leipzig rules" and a Wikipedia list of standard abbreviations (with=20
links to explanations of the abbreviations, most of which I never heard of)

A lot of the abbreviations listed could be applied to various Lojban=20
cmavo, or rather the cmavo could be glossed using those abbreviations.=20
But the terminology would need to be correlated, with many of the=20
abbreviations applying to individual cmavo, especially words in selma'o=20
UI (other than attitudinals, such as evidentials which account for=20
several of the abbreviations).

Most Lojban attitudinals are probably best considered content words=20
expressed at a metalinguistic level, and hence would not use capitalized=20
abbreviations.  I have usually glossed attitudinals parenthetically,=20
with parentheses in this case indicating a separate metalinguistic level=20
from the main text

I'm not particular sure what Pierre intends by o'adai in that sentence;=20
not sure who is supposedly feeling pride.  The mother or the listener?=20
So I'm just marking the dai as "EMPATH"

> i   lo  bicrbombu  cu  se       bevri      mi o'adai               lo  ma=
mta  be  mi vau
> SEP ART bumblebee? SEP PASS.INV-carried-by-me (pride-EMPATH) [-to] ART mo=
ther-OBJ-me TERMIN

I think only SEP (separator), TERMIN (terminator) and EMPATH (empathic=20
attitudinal) are not in the standard abbreviations list, and the rest=20
should be pretty obvious.  I also used the bracketed [-to] which is=20
actually part of the gloss of bevri, as symbolized by the hyphen, put in=20
a more readable position (5+ place brivla would be even harder to=20
express without such readability aids).

I don't sense that morphemic glossing necessarily is as comprehensive in=20
the structure words as Mike S's attempt provides.  After all, English=20
has several kinds of articles and they all probably gloss as ART.  There=20
is an abbreviation for "definite" (DEF), but none for "indefinite", two=20
of the kinds of articles in English.  But probably if we wanted to=20
systematize glossing in Lojban we might invent abbreviations to=20
distinguish lo, la, lei, and loi (there is no abbreviation for=20
mass-nouns either in the standard list)

lojbab


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