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Subject: Re: [lojban] Glossing
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 20:02:11 -0400
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On Thursday, 25 April 2019 14.56.44 EDT Mike S. wrote:
> i lo bicrbombu cu se bevri mi o'adai lo mamta be mi vau
> SENTT DET bee-CLZ-Bombus VPZ INV carry 1 proudly-OBV DET mother INAL 1 VP=
T
>=20
> Breakdown:
>=20
> morph / gloss (/ gloss translation)
> * =3D Not standard, or not common
>=20
> i / *SENT or *SENTT / sentence or sentence-terminator (actually a
> separator, but "terminator" is close enough)
> lo / DET or *NPZ / determiner or noun-phrase-izer
> bic- / bee
> -r- / *CLZ / classifier-izer (turns previous morpheme into a classifier
> prefix)

"-r-", which has allomorphs "-n-" and, only in type-3 fu'ivla, "-l-", is an=
=20
interfix. It doesn't mean anything; it's required by morphology rules.

Classifiers, in linguistics, are words used with numbers (or, in Apachean=
=20
languages, denoting grouping) to indicate the type of thing counted. "bic-"=
 is=20
something else.

> -bombu / "Bombus" or bumblebee
> cu / *VPZ / verb-phrase-izer

It's the same thing as "i" in Tok Pisin, which is called the predicate mark=
er.

> se / INV / inverse voice

INV2, as there are also te, ve, and xe.

> bevri / carry
> mi / 1 or 1SG / 1st person or 1st person singular (pragmatically, probabl=
y
> sg right?)

I'd say 1SG, as Lojban has 1PL pronouns with clusivity. "mi" can be used wi=
th=20
a plural referent, which means that we all speak as one, or something like=
=20
that.

> o'a- / proudly

It's not an adverb ("proudly" would modify "carry"). It's an attitudinal, a=
nd=20
should get an abbreviation in caps.

> -dai / OBV / obviate (don't know what else to call this)

I don't either. The obviative marks a third person as being less salient th=
an=20
another third person. One of "ko'a" and "fo'a" could be considered proximat=
e=20
and the other obviative.

> lo / DET or *NPZ
> mamta / mother
> be / INAL / inalienable possession

Inalienable possession is "po'e". "lo citka be lo funduki" does not mean "t=
he=20
eater inalienably possessed by a hazelnut"; it means "someone who eats a=20
hazelnut".

> mi / 1
> vau / *VPT / verb-phrase-terminator

On Thursday, 25 April 2019 17.20.55 EDT Bob LeChevalier wrote:

> I'm not particular sure what Pierre intends by o'adai in that sentence;
> not sure who is supposedly feeling pride.  The mother or the listener?
> So I'm just marking the dai as "EMPATH"

The Lojban doesn't say who's feeling pride, so it should not be specified i=
n=20
the gloss, but it's the mother. "Won't my mommy be so proud of me?"

Pierre
--=20
La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.


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