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[45.55.162.231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w82si172321qka.7.2019.06.21.04.44.07 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2019 04:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) client-ip=45.55.162.231; Received: from bezitopo.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:5b0:211a:27a0:4e72:b9ff:fe7b:8dbf]) by marozi.bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 617EF5FAC8 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mooncat.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000BC4C0F1 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:43:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] x2 of remna Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:43:55 -0400 Message-ID: <6562214.O196nLXU51@mooncat> In-Reply-To: References: <3599730.Gzx9hWiHjm@mooncat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- On Thursday, 20 June 2019 07.06.39 EDT mezohe wrote: > > ! so'i cakcinki cu xabju lo purdi > > doesn't work because it expands to > > > ! so'i cakcinki be zo'e cu xabju lo purdi [be zo'e bei zo'e] > > zo'e is a constant; so'i can't scope over it. All this can mean is "many > beetles of the obvious species live in the garden"; nothing is said > about beetles of other species. And there does have to be a single > species zo'e refers to, since having it refer to multiple ones would say > for *each* beetle that it's a member of all the species. Where do you get the idea that zo'e is a constant? As I understand it, {mi viska ci cakcinki} is equally true if I see three Japanese beetles (of which there are many on the blackberry plants) or if I see a cocuyo, a scarab, and a weevil. Anyway, x2 of {cakcinki} can be {la'o .ly. Coleoptera .ly.}, which is equivalent to {lo'e se cakcinki}. Pierre -- Lanthanidia deliciosa: What the kiwifruit would be if it weren't so radioactive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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