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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 23:29:39 +0100
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On Sat, 22 Jun 2019, 13:46 mezohe, <wow.jvs@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Where do you get the idea that zo'e is a constant? As I understand it,
> {mi
> > viska ci cakcinki} is equally true if I see three Japanese beetles (of
> which
> > there are many on the blackberry plants) or if I see a cocuyo, a scarab,
> and a
> > weevil.
>
> xorxes, at least, intended for zo'e to be a constant [1]. zo'e
> (especially explicit zo'e) as a variable would be problematic for
> negation [2].
>
> [1] https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Section:_gadri#Notes_2
> [2] http://mail.lojban.org/lojban-list/msg47182.html
>
>
>
I have (too) hastily scanned these without locating the rationale for this.
May we not speak of, say, three readers without precluding that they do not
read the same thing? Or, if zo'e must be a constant, then it must be a
constant at the level of abstraction that eliminates the difference between
the different species and different reading materials.

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 22 Jun 2019, 13:46 mezohe, &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:wow.jvs@gmail.com">wow.jvs@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">&gt; Where do you get the idea that zo&#39;e is a const=
ant? As I understand it, {mi <br>
&gt; viska ci cakcinki} is equally true if I see three Japanese beetles (of=
 which <br>
&gt; there are many on the blackberry plants) or if I see a cocuyo, a scara=
b, and a <br>
&gt; weevil. <br>
<br>
xorxes, at least, intended for zo&#39;e to be a constant [1]. zo&#39;e <br>
(especially explicit zo&#39;e) as a variable would be problematic for <br>
negation [2].<br>
<br>
[1] <a href=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Section:_gadri#Notes_2" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BP=
FK_Section:_gadri#Notes_2</a><br>
[2] <a href=3D"http://mail.lojban.org/lojban-list/msg47182.html" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://mail.lojban.org/lojban-list/ms=
g47182.html</a><br>
<br><br></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">I have (too) hastily scanned these without locating the rationale for t=
his. May we not speak of, say, three readers without precluding that they d=
o not read the same thing? Or, if zo&#39;e must be a constant, then it must=
 be a constant at the level of abstraction that eliminates the difference b=
etween the different species and different reading materials.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">--And.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
</blockquote></div></div></div>

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