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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 00:00:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] x2 of remna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bda428058c463462" X-Original-Sender: maikxlx@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=EGwlwspx; spf=pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=maikxlx@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- --000000000000bda428058c463462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 6:07 AM Pierre Abbat wrote: > In the gimste, {remna} has no x2, unlike other words for kinds of > organisms. > As several species are placed in the genus Homo, we should have a way to > talk > about them. Should we use {remna} with x2 ({ta remna la .denisov.}, or {ta > remna la .aiutac.} using the Altai name for the cave), or make up another > word? > > I find {ta remna la .denisov.} to be nice, clear and Lojbanic. The rationale for squelching *{se remna} was explained by John Cowan a long time ago, but I never was too persuaded, given the utility in discussing paleoanthropology (as you show by your example), science fiction scenarios (set in future, perhaps dealing with human evolution in the stars), and alternate opinions about human biology (even if you want to disagree with the point of view, you need to be able to express what you're disagreeing with, and a well-designed language should let you express it). -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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about them. Should we use {remna} with x2 ({ta remna la .denisov.}, or {ta =
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I find {ta remna la .denisov.} to be n= ice, clear and Lojbanic.=C2=A0 The rationale for squelching *{se remna} was= explained by John Cowan a long time ago, but I never was too persuaded, gi= ven the utility in discussing paleoanthropology (as you show by your exampl= e), science fiction scenarios (set in future, perhaps dealing with human ev= olution in the stars), and alternate opinions about human biology (even if = you want to disagree with the point of view, you need to be able to express= what you're disagreeing with, and a well-designed language should let = you express it).

-Mike
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