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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000136eb405a04d2ad0" X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ZOpoRKrp; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::336 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- --000000000000136eb405a04d2ad0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Correct, but in written lojban, if you have whitespace, it implies the stress of the spoken, so there is no ambiguity --gejysps On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 7:28 PM Robert Baruch wrote: > Oh. CLL example 3.31 and 3.32 :( And also CLL p. 42: "Primary stress is > required on the penultimate syllable of Lojban content words (called > brivla)." > > This means that if I were to parse one of those bridi by software, the > stress must be a part of the lexing, as in the bridi you quoted. > > Thanks, I think that answers my questions. > > --Rob > > On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 4:07:56 PM UTC-8, junpen wrote: >> >> lu >> dovEcnulecIskami >> li'u na'e du lu >> dovEcnuleciskAmi >> li'u >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lojban/83b011ad-03d5-44bc-99e5-114427037a5f%40googlegroups.com > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=C2=A0 Correct, but in written lojban, if you have whitesp= ace, it implies the stress of the spoken, so there is no ambiguity

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On Sat, M= ar 7, 2020 at 7:28 PM Robert Baruch <robert.c.baruch@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh. CLL example 3.31 an= d 3.32 :( And also CLL p. 42: "Primary stress is required on the penul= timate syllable of Lojban content words (called brivla)."

This means that if I were to parse one of those bridi by software, t= he stress must be a part of the lexing, as in the bridi you quoted.

Thanks, I think that answers my questions.

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--Rob

On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 4:07:56 PM UTC= -8, junpen wrote:
lu
dovEcnulecIskami
li'u na'e du lu
dovEcnuleciskAmi
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li'u

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