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[2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m19si712836otn.4.2020.03.27.22.52.25 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org designates 2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b; Received: from petunia by icebubble.org with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1jI4W1-0002f5-69 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 06:00:17 +0000 Received: from rusat by cmarib.ramside with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1jI4FX-0002QW-16 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 05:43:15 +0000 From: scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] Why does CLLv1.1 retain so many errors from CLLv1.0? (WAS: Re: CLLv1.1 goes out on Monday, 12 Oct 2015) References: <20151010033327.GC13991@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20151011173734.GI13991@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 05:43:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20151011173734.GI13991@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> (Robin Lee Powell's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:37:34 -0700") Message-ID: <86o8shdogd.fsf_-_@cmarib.ramside> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Original-Sender: scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org designates 2607:f2f8:a1d8::b19:0:f0b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=scope845hlang343jbo@icebubble.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_bar: -- I was just comparing the new edition of the official Lojban Reference Grammar (CLL v1.1) with my annotated(/corrected) bound copy of the book... and I find myself rather disappointed. A few of the errors in v1.0 were corrected, but most of the errors, omissions, ambiguities, and confusing passages in v1.0 were retained in v1.1. I had hoped that these errors would be caught, and that the new edition of the CLL would be clear, correct, and intelligible. Here's just one example off the top of my head: In section 10.4, both CLLv1.0 and v1.1 state that a temporal tense is expressed before a spatial tense. But the formal grammar (EBNF Rule 972, yacc Rule 979) allows them to occur in either order. The text is still wrong. And there are many other examples. Could anyone tell me why all these problems weren't corrected in CLL v1.1? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lojban/86o8shdogd.fsf_-_%40cmarib.ramside.